Scott Dolan

"Don't you read the newspapers? Bill Cosby has admitted to getting prescription Quaaludes to give to women he wanted to have sex with." Um, so? Women, and men, have never voluntarily used drugs to enhance sex?

No, and neither is anyone else. That's been my point from the beginning. Go back in this thread. Things didn't take off with me until Allen said "he did it, he's a rapist" with absolute certainty. Ever since then, you and others have been reading into my posts whatever you wanted to read into them. And I can't help that.

Go ahead, Mr. hoots. Seeing as how ejp is essentially saying the exact same thing I've been saying for days now.

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Page, First of all please allow me to say that I had no idea that you write for Amnesty International. I find that to be an incredibly worthy cause and endeavor, and I'm honored to know somebody who has taken up such a task. Secondly, I realize that I can come across like a pit bull protecting his favorite chew toy, but that is not my intent. As much as Mr. Sangrey and myself seemingly have trouble getting along (even though we've inadvertently been making a clumsy go of it lately), I actually agree with pretty much everything he has stated in this thread. He tries to dazzle intellectually, whereas I just look to beat people over the head troglodyte-style. Yes, I understand everything you've said. And while I agree with it, I still ultimately find it important that we all at least understand that innocent until proven guilty isn't some utopian dream, but a solid construct that any civilized society should be based upon. We can discuss hypotheticals until the proverbial cows come home. But none of them make it so. One way, or the other. Which has been the only point I've been trying to get at. One he said - dozens she said. I know you'll say that doesn't PROVE anything. That's fine. So tell me, what DOES it prove?

I agree. The problem is that we don't know the details. To act otherwise is intellectually lazy, IMO.

No, it doesn't. Consent "goes out the window" when it's proven that it wasn't granted.

Oh, I know you didn't. That was an implication Mr. Thornton made. Maybe you didn't catch my wording, but the point was is that we all know women who've experienced assault and it may even be someone we know closely. Not everyone feels comfortable sharing the details, so it's more rampant than you'd like to believe. No, it's as rampant as I believe. I didn't just fall off of a turnip truck. But that has nothing to do with my point. Men and women consensually use drugs for sexual purposes all the time. What we DON'T know is if this were the case with Cosby and his accusers. Some folks have decided that they do indeed know the facts of these cases, but they don't. That's essentially what most of this thread has been about. Consent. What we have at this point is a case of he said/she said. It's wisest not to take either side without actual evidence.

Um, who said, or even implied that it was? I was speaking specifically about consenting to drug-fueled sex. BTW, going back to a hotel room with a stranger isn't the smartest thing to do, no matter who you are.

Oh, I know you didn't. That was an implication Mr. Thornton made. As for whether it would have been ok with consent, well, it would kind of have to be. Or else we fall down a rabbit hole where ALL consensual sex becomes potential fodder for criminal and civil cases. Bottom line: none of those girls were going back to his hotel room to look at his model train collection. If he offered them a quaalude to help them "get in the mood", and they accepted, then we've barely got a news story, let alone a criminal act.

Afuckingmen to that!

Does the post quoted here help you, Mr. hoots? And the "cause I'm defending" is American jurisprudence and the fact that evidence of wrong doing is the most important aspect of condemning an individual. Perhaps that is unimportant to you? It seems to be to many.

No, Page mentioned something about being a boss or someone who has a major role over yours. Was that the case with any of these women. Or were they simply "hook ups" between a famous individual and star struck fans/star fuckers/etc.?

Yes, most of our wives, girlfriends, and female friends have been raped or otherwise sexually assaulted.

Did Cosby lord over any of these women professionally?

You do realize that quaaludes are used as an aphrodisiac, right? You do realize that both men and women used them for that purpose, right? You do realize that by Cosby answering the question the way he did meant that he was possibly intending to use that drug the way MANY people did, especially in the 70's and 80's, right? You do realize that there is absolutely zero evidence that any woman was slipped those drugs without consent, right? You do realize that most times when people go back to a hotel room with a famous figure/stranger they're not doing so to play a mean round of parchisi, right? If not, you're far more naive than I gave you credit for.

Allen, I'm sorry I missed that part. Can you please link me to the admission that Cosby made about giving those drugs to women to incapacitate them? Again, this is the problem when you combine a sensationalist media with a public steeped in the practice of confirmation bias. The media presents something that really isn't there, and the people exclaim, "look!!!! There it is!!!"

I would have fought for supression as well. Sensationalist media + gullible society = smoking gun!!! It does seem like Cosby engaged in criminal act, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit at this point to find out that he did. But the information from this released deposition shows, well...nothing really.

It did? I must have missed that part.

So his deposition shows that he slipped those drugs to women without their consent?

No doubt, Jim. There's definitely more to the story, and they seemed to go out of their way to only tell one side of it.

Agreed. But, how can it be classified as stalking?

Ah, yes. Tried and convicted through the media. Great precedent. We should shitcan the criminal justice system, and determine guilt via popular vote a la Amercian Idol!

I encourage everyone to read that post again and again. Miles Davis physically assaulted women. Do we think less of his music? Separating the art from the artist is a necessary evil. You aren't compromising your morals by enjoying Cosby's comedic genius any more than you are by appreciating Miles' musical genius.

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