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Does it work? Are these the same Red Onions who were on the Shel Silverstein record?

Thomas Blachman Feat. Alwayz In Axion – Blachman Introduces Standard Jazz & Rap, Vol. 1 first listen to this jazz rap record from the Danish 1990s. Completely horrible. I was listening to this one yesterday.

Is this good? Time to bust out Satan in Goray.

These mid period Hubbards get a bad rep. There's a lot of worth on them.

All middle period?

High Risk

I didn't know about it until now! It's great. A very different record but that fact makes both records better. Strange that this is the second remix of the record after the Jamie xx one. Were they not happy with it?

Gil Scott-Heron, Makaya McCraven – We're New Again (A Reimagining By Makaya McCraven) Gil Scott-Heron, Makaya McCraven – We're New Again (A Reimagining By Makaya McCraven)

Black Milk & Nat Turner – The Rebellion Sessions

Theon Cross – Intra-I

It's the name his mother gave him. I find the same with a lot of electronic and hip hop music from the 90s and 00s. It feels very repetitive. That goes for a lot of the jazz and improv music from the same period which was "updating" the music with beats. I don't think it's the case with hip hop or electronica any more. The rhythms are generally more open and breathe. Whilst a lot of the "nu jazz" stuff I have been listening to is extremely and insufferably beige, at least it doesn't feel locked in.

Mal Waldron – Tokyo Bound (Victor, 1970)

Madlb – Yesterdays Universe!

What are the non Sanders 'Flo-Po' records that fit most?

I remember liking Mr Scruff at the time, probably because he felt different to the prevailing culture of the early 00s. He had a mixtape release that had a Pharaoh Sanders track on it from Journey to the One that was a big important moment for me in my own journey into jazz. Other than that the jazz edge to his music never really occured to me. I don't really understand why Fourtet doesn't get mentioned as an example of a jazz electronics guy. A lot of the more recent artists sound very influenced by him, and he is a massive jazz fan, who put out those Steve Reid records that I think work pretty well and haven't dated. Perhaps he was too famous and so not fun to put into weird internet genres.

That looks interesting. Does it collect specific LPs? Discogs is not much help.

Yeah. Not just samples of jazz music. Despite the -tronica name, there seems to be an emphasis in most of these groups on "real" instruments. But the actual deployment of the instruments seems to be quite different to jazz. It is a long way divorced from concepts of swing or "soul", but I suppose that if your starting point for jazz is Jan Garbarek or the EST then it makes more sense. Often it seems closer to minimalist composition or new age music to my ears.

Thanks again.

Thank you. On the spectrum, it does seem very wide. All of these are apparently "future jazz", which seems to be another name for the same thing. Which Erik Truffaz albums do you rate?

Thanks!

My listening sometimes goes down rabbit holes. This week it is the concept of 'jazztronica', i.e. hip hop or electronic music, chilled, glitchy or whatever, that claims jazz lineage. Sometimes called 'nu jazz' (terrible name) or various other titles chosen in the proliferation of the internet age. Seems to have come into existence at some point in the late 00s, and continued in my peripheral vision without me paying much attention to it. A lot of this stuff is just horrible and vapid chill out background stuff. Like acid jazz before it, most has no jazz in it at all and is just electronica or tepid hip hop beats with a sampled saxophone thrown in from time to time. I have been interested though to find a fair amount where the music does show genuine links to e.g. jazz fusion or to ECM or ACT style jazz, or where the jazz or fusion elements are built into something more interesting and 'new". There is also quite a lot of chopped up producer-ey music that would, if it were released on a label like International Anthem, be received as a new jazz release, but because it is on an electronica label, it is considered something else. A big and ill defined genre, if it even is that, which can at best be defined with an "I know it when I see" it methodology. I have posted a couple of these in the Listening To thread over the past few days. Anyway, I suspect that this is not the forum for it (nu jazz seems to be a bit of a Reddit scene) but, given the depth of knowledge on this forum, I thought I would ask if anyone has any good records that they'd recommend from this sort of area. Glitchy or chilled, it's all welcome. There are a few members who I suspect may know some secret good records in this area. Edit: Also, any records that you think we're foundational or historically to the idea of 'nu jazz'.

Bernard Purdie – Purdie Good! Taking a break from boring myself senseless with minutely observed 'jazztronica' to play some really real real music.

Which record was that you were listening to? I like this one a lot. Very loose and imaginative and not too stuck in a swing rhythm when it doesn't want to be.

I really enjoyed it. Strangely emotional music. I don't know the first but I will certainly give it a listen.

Szun Waves – Earth Patterns (Leaf, 2022)