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Hadn't listened to Turn It Over before. It is really good. Chaotic and with too many vocals but still really strong.

That’s good. I dilly dallied on this one and missed out last time.

I mean, why, at that particular time in the UK was Dixieland revival type music not just a reasonable scene but actually chart topping?

Thank you, for a really brilliant answer. Are there any LPs that stand out for you? It seems like it was a singles genre: Bad Penny Blues to Stranger on the Shore standing out as singles more than albums. But still, it lasted well into the LP era. I have also found this thread, which has some good recollections too. And some discussion on the perennial trad jazz question: why trad jazz?

Donated. Always pleased when it is for a good cause.

The Freedom Sounds featuring Wayne Henderson – Soul Sound System Love this one. Real Atlantic stuff.

Intended as a sort of greasy toupee-wearing alcoholic uncle of the thread from around a year ago relating to European bop / modernism. My understanding (and I was strictly not there, so please correct me) is that most Western European countries developed explosively popular jazz scenes in the shell-shocked years of post World War 2 recovery, mostly seeking to follow the model of what in the USA was the Dixieland revival. In the UK, pseudo-New Orleans revivalist "trad" was a huge deal. For a Londoner of my generation (came of age late 90s), it was known primarily as the long forgotten music that your parents hated, and for being mocked by the Bonzo Dog Doodah Band for reasons that were no longer apparent. Plus for the fact that it had generated elder statesmen who were still on TV and BBC radio but who rarely played any actual music. My father in law, who was a war baby, died a few years ago and left us a bunch of LPs, many of them trad. Listening to it, it strikes me how amateurish the scene was (partly deliberately I assume) and how adulterated the 'jazz' edges were - so much pop or boogie woogie in the sound that it sometimes veered on early rock n roll - and by how little it sounded like contemporaneous US classic jazz and dixieland scenes (whether the USA revival's poles of New Orleans and Chicago authenticity, New York folk revivalist Carnegie Hall studiousness or the dreaded varsity / fraternity stuff). The UK stuff sounds very grubby and bone headed. It seems that essential to the whole concept was a rain-soaked and bombed out vision of some sort of mythic vision of America that was too uninformed tell the difference between a riverboat gambler and a cowboy. It is difficult to understand how it could have been so popular. Who listened to this stuff? My understanding is that there were similar scenes in France and Germany at least. I don't know whether they developed among different lines though. I know that Stephanie Grappelli aged into an elder statesman role across the channel, and I suppose that the presence of Bechet may have had an effect on any French scene. I also assume that contemporaneously there must have been an accompanying big band 'dance music' scene, but for whatever reason that music does not get mentioned much. Presumably the Beatles and the Boomer generation's coming of age is what wiped this stuff out. It was and still is a constant presence in discount bins over here. I'd be interested in any members views on the music in general, and their memories of it. Particularly those members who are from Europe or experienced it at the time or during its occasional revivals. Also, are there any good records from the era that you think stand out? LPs in particular. Live albums, vocal and joint leader dates all welcome.

Always the best covers. I always had a soft spot for Wycliffe Gordon's playing. I started a thread for the era semi-recently. Still interest in any recommendations.

Thank you!

Who is he? I always wondered why there were so few jazz / improv albums from the ICA.

Yma Sumac – Mambo!

A.C. Reed – I'm In The Wrong Business!

I would have just worn a hat.

Zbigniew Namysłowski Quintet – Kujaviak Goes Funky

Joanne Grauer Introducing Lorraine Feather

Naná – Amazonas Milosc and Lester Bowie - Not Two

Record industry decided it was offensive and started using "country and western" is my understanding. I don't know. The discount bin?

Don't think so. It's not 'Hillbilly' either.

Really? That's funny. Anyway. He does a good job on that record. Master craftsmen can work even when anything but excited, it appears. I'd just call this Country? By Hillbilly I understand pre-war fiddle, blues and folk tunes by Southern white performers. George Jones is surely right dead centre at the heart of country music at its finest. Regardless, I like a record shop that files all that stuff together with blues and folk and the rest, ideally with lots of long out of print 60s reissues of the pre-war people, and a couple of off the beaten track records from the 90s by blues guys from random cities I have never visited.

Will the music be on bandcamp? I would happily buy but I am post-CD. Book, for sure.

Ronstadt had Nelson Riddle I think? That album is okay as a result. He was clearly excited to be involved. Not sure the record is okay enough that I would want to listen to it again, though, but I didn't hate it. Strange that the Stewart albums seemingly made no effort whatsoever. Those arrangements are nothing. You'd think that after the first album became such a mega hit they'd have tried bothering with the others. But no.

You're losing me there. I like a separate folk and blues section.

No hate for Mr. Stewart here. Love the Faces and love the solo stuff, at least where he's singing blues. I have an ongoing joke with my wife about how much she loves Rod Stewart. But those Great American Songbook records are truly truly hideous. It's amazing that a singer with such a feel for soul and blues can fail so badly at jazz. So badly. It does show that there is a gap.

Bonus points if it includes Latin stuff.

This might be a key distinction. If it is phrasing, then Frank Sinatra should certainly be a jazz singer through most of his career. If it is improvisation, then maybe no. But query where that leaves someone like Joe Turner. I think if you take it too far, then only the Sarah Vaughans, Betty Carters and Carmen McRaes would be jazz singers. Neither improvisation nor phrasing is going to squeak Rod Stewart through the door though, sadly. Yes. That's a fair point. Despite how core he is to the genre, Charlie Parker is quite esoteric!