ghost of miles

Thanks, Patrick! The program is one hour long. (Almost, anyway; we're trying to make it 59:00 and syndication-friendly.) I'm hoping the webmaster will have the Jazztet show up in the archives by Monday afternoon.

Full confession: I was asked to MC for a Peter Cincotti show here in Bloomington last fall, and have long wanted to post my thoughts on the experience here. I have never particularly warmed to his work, though I can understand the radio appeal of his rather slick rendition of "St. Louis Blues." Basically, Jim Sangrey's observations are right on target--a competent piano player with a hell of a lot of poise. The guy truly seems born to the stage, and entertainer is the word that comes immediately to mind. OTOH, I'm not uttering it here as an insult (nor implying that anybody else is). I was on the side of the stage all night, and I have to admit that I enjoyed the experience, partially because I've rarely seen an audience at a "jazz" (or quasi-jazz) concert have that much fun. Some of this, I'm sure, resulted from the preponderance of young women in the audience who have a thing for Cincotti (and most of his own songwriting, as he jokingly confessed, revolves around a young guy who wants to get laid). The Cincotti performance never came close to emanating an iota of the transcendental feelings I've had seeing Sonny Rollins, Benny Golson, David Young, or any number of other jazz musicians; but I still went home thinking, "There should be a place for an 'entertainment' element in jazz, and aficionados like me shouldn't be so quick to sneer at it." Sure, it's very easy to cross the line to a point where the Cincottis and Connicks are sucking up most or all of the concert dollars, radio play, etc., and more talented artists suffer as a result; but I wish there wasn't such a disconnect between jazz as entertainment and jazz as an art music. And I certainly don't subscribe to the "it all went wrong with bop" school of thought, either. Just seems like it's a music ultimately meant to include, not exclude (even if various strains at times have, for one reason or another, adapted exclusionary tactics).

Yes, yes, I know--I do not know what you mean by Weizen.

On second thought, I'll grab him and you tickle him with a feather. When does he get stuffed in the box? When he stops thrashing around. Hey Hey Brothers. The children of thr revolution are free B-) Che. No problem. You're not getting charged for this... Wake up brother. Che. You're actually Weizen, aren't you?

Allen, PM'd you re: several of these. Edit: oops, missed the e-mail address note. I'll send you a message there.

On second thought, I'll grab him and you tickle him with a feather.

SACD? Che. Audio format much favored by a "late" poster here.

He's a regular Max Roach, that Catesta!

Wonder what his thoughts are on SACD?

In the short time I have been involved with this board, I have a sense that there are a few posters, that have opinions on almost any subject and 1000's and 1000's of post later, they still have the same views and opinions. I have no idea what you mean by the term 'game'. Che I find your post disingenuous.

Not my concern if you don't appreciate the Marx Brothers, friar. To each his own... just trying to lighten the thread a bit.

More like the Marx Brothers, I'd say. B-)

I have no idea what you are referring to. The tone of your posts is aggressive. Che. You dig up a thread that hasn't been posted in for 18 days solely to imply that we're gloating over some stats and say my tone is aggressive? Look, I'm sorry... I hope that you hang around, truly, but you've been trying to pick fights with posters here all day long, and it's getting to be quite boring. I've run out of diplomatic steam... hope to encounter you again on a music thread sometime. I am still discovering this board, I have been involved for a few days, I discovered the thread whilst I was looking 'around'. You have been here much longer, posted many more replies and seem to know what is going on. In the short time I have been involved wioth the board I have already met some people that I find thoughtful and respectful, Africabrass is one of them ( sorry to mention you name B-) I have not the slightest intention to 'pick a fight', there is no possible reason why I would do this. I have many ideas and thoughts, and as I mentioned on another thread, I find the ideas that people have and my responces to be a way of relaxing from a very stressed world. Che. Well, cool. This is generally about as relaxed a place as you're going to find... like many things, people will get out of it what they put into it. And most folks here are always ready to smoke a peace pipe--and what they get out of that most certainly depends on what they put into it!

It seems that you have posted many posts, and you are most active in the politics section, i guess you have a lot of opinions. Che. Thanks for your "analysis."

I have no idea what you are referring to. The tone of your posts is aggressive. Che. You dig up a thread that hasn't been posted in for 18 days solely to imply that we're gloating over some stats and say my tone is aggressive? Look, I'm sorry... I hope that you hang around, truly, but you've been trying to pick fights with posters here all day long, and it's getting to be quite boring. I've run out of diplomatic steam... hope to encounter you again on a music thread sometime.

The same stats get posted over at AAJ. I'm curious as to why you seem so determined to pigeonhole this board as a hostile, inhospitable environment when it's not. You accused me of trying to put you in a box, but frankly you're the one trying to do the "boxing" here. If you're asking people to suppress their happiness that this is an active and intellectually stimulating board, then I think you're asking too much.

Forget nastiness... where are we on the "silliness" scale these days?

Interesting discussion--I like Bill Evans quite a lot, but the first essay I read after getting LK's book as a birthday present was the death-threat-garnering piece on BE. I think Larry's points are very sound... and they've made me think more about Evans (particularly the Verve and Fantasy eras), but my listening pleasure hasn't been diminished by his quite worthwhile article. It's sort of like someone letting you know that that pizza is laden with artery-busting fat--but it still tastes delicious! Part of it depends on why you listen, on how you distribute the rationale for concluding that something or someone is worth hearing, and to what degree. Maybe I have a soft spot for the "pastoral," as Larry calls it; maybe that's something that upon further inspection I'll begin to discard, or perhaps it's just a personal aberration/characteristic that I'll be quite content to live with. I guess, Bill Clinton-like, I see both sides here; still, I'd be inclined to encourage folks to seek out those different viewpoints, because anything that potentially expands your intellectual/aesthetic horizons should be welcomed. More often than not you're going to go back to the music and hear it in a different way, which is always an exciting and edifying experience for me. There are quite a few very positive pieces by Larry in that book that bring about just that situation for me.

JS, ghost, get his legs! No can do, man... we already sawed 'em off.

Right! Organissimo members/posters don't take no shit from anybody! And this is what I hear loud and clear. In my experience you will create a situation in which people feel intimidated to post. And what you will have is a 'few good 'ol' boys posting to each other' But that is just my view. Che. Oh, c'mon, Che, lighten up a little! I dig that you're here (and we can always use another liberal/leftie--we gotta compensate for the sorry state of affairs in the US govt. and the godforsaken SCLM ), but there's a very lighthearted attitude here that I sometimes think people miss out on. (All right, I'm also a guy who thinks listeners miss the humor in Smiths songs--so whadda I know?) I think the site's pretty damned inclusive... and post count means absolutely nothing here. Hell, John Litweiler has posted about 20 times, and yet anything he has to say about jazz will have far more import than something posted by me... or a number of other folks who have umpteen hundred or thousand posts. Part of what you might be perceiving is that many of us here got to know one another on the old Blue Note Bulletin Board, and it's almost impossible sometimes to keep from making jokes, references, etc., that go way back. It's almost like reading a favorite comic strip... did you happen to see Doonesbury this week? (Zonker getting fired for getting high on the job?) Trudeau threw in a reference that only longtime fanatics like me, who's been reading the strip since I was a kid, would've gotten... hard to avoid sometimes, and why should we, as long as it's not the primary raison d'etre of this place. Which it isn't; love of jazz is. And not even that is required to post here!

Right! Organissimo members/posters don't take no shit from anybody! Shouldn't that be, "...don't take no shit from nobody?" B-) BTW, can we hereby dub ourselves "O.G.s?"

Bev, I think Jim meant it more as advice, not as a set of rules or dress code.

Yes!

OK, as long as they promise not to release any more post-Mick Clash records.

I'm interested as well... I, too, have been deluged with offers, and I really want to consolidate my flexible-interest rate (which is very low) with my wife's higher, locked-in rate--overall, we'll save money.