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Mine too. It doesn't get enough props, but it's a great record!

There are two on Cadence Jazz, one a duo with altoist Rob Brown and I believe the other is solo, but I'm not sure about that. Probably still available from Cadence at around $8 a pop.

The polarized blue and white cover that Marcello refers to is the first edition, and it looks gorgeous even if it is on flimsy stock. I think that this was bootlegged on CD. As for Indent, it came out later as an Arista-Freedom LP, and I think I've seen some CD copies of questionable origin, none with the original cover art. The titles Brownie just referred to are the ones I was thinking of... too bad they didn't come out. Chuck, do you know how many were pressed of the Unit Core titles? Assuming 1000 each but that's just a guess.

For some reason I've passed on "First Meditatons," and I don't know why. Now maybe I shouldn't. Still, my favorite Trane from this period falls with Ascension and the stuff he did on the West Coast with Pharaoh, Donald Garrett et al. The tracks from New Thing at Newport and The New Wave in Jazz are great, but with both albums the spotlight appears to be on the other groups...

Richard and Mimi Farina "Celebrations for a Grey Day" (Vanguard)

Thanks for the info, Chuck. I didn't think they'd been issued but I suppose one never knows - it could be another Dogtown conundrum. My Indent has labels reading 3055 5A and 3055 5B, though the jacket reads 30555. I guess it would stand to reason from the thick stock, heavy vinyl and underground look that this title was the label's 'seed.' Interesting story - it certainly would've been nice to have a Cecil LP on Nessa (or would it have been Nessa-Core?)...

Hey all, I was perusing a Unit Core flyer and noticed advertisements for a "Volume Two" of Indent and a workshop orchestra double LP. Never seen these offered, though the flyer contained jacket mockups and all the pertinent details. Anyone know if these were issued? Here's what I have: Unit Core 30551 "Spring of Two Blue J's" Unit Core 30555 "Indent" Thanks! CT

I'm a big fan of Ghetto Music but never really got around to the second LP. I remember the songs being a lot shorter and more radio-friendly, like a bizarro Duke Pearson record from the same period.

Energy, action, and motion.

The artists, as I understand it, weren't ripped off - they were paid a small amount for recording, with small royalties against what sold, as with most independent labels. Apparently, some major distributors did rip off ESP by altering sales to 'lost shipments' and consequently some royalties were lost that way. There are some people like Sunny Murray who clamor on and on about getting ripped off because his lone session as a leader was a "gold record in Japan" (Japanese ESPs were, in fact, unlicensed) but of the artists I've spoken with about ESP, most felt that it was a solid opportunity to record that launched many a career. I've spoken at length with Stollman, and both credit and pay are going where they are due.

As far as I know, it's going to be steady and sure reissuing of the back catalog, occasionally with unissued cuts and/or interviews. The Wright interviews are cool - c'mon, man, they're a piece of history! Besides, they aren't very expensive. One thing is for sure, and that's that these are completely authorized reissues and the artists and recordings are being treated respectfully. The Marion Brown set will contain both LPs plus some bonus material, as I understand it...

John Cage.

Hell, I was wondering where he came from, too... not only where he went! I sure wish somebody would get involved and reissue some of the other JCOA LPs, like the Moncur and the uh, Thornton, but I suppose the artists probably have the tapes. It's kind of surprising that nothing like that has happened, though.

Also Jerome Cooper, Paul Lovens (both otherwise drummers), pianist Francois Tusques and saxophonist Nils Harritt. Also want to say it ended up in some Art Ensemble recordings, but can't remember which of 'em played it.

They might as well re-RVG Idle Moments while they're at it.

I wish I'd had the chance to jump on this thread back when it was hot, but I too sold those CDs about a week after I got the promos. Just nothing to write home about, albeit 'well-done.' Interviewed Holland and he was an asshole, and had no interest in talking about anything he'd done prior to the current band, or any intellectual conversation. But he's getting a fair share of dough and recognition for beating dead horses, so... That tirade said, I love his solo and duo recordings from the 70s, as well as Conference of the Birds and Circle.

Wasn't the original question about a 'vanguard mainstream'? In that case, Dave Douglas would be a '90s-00's equivalent to David Murray, but without the blues chops. I sort of feel that David Ware is like that, too, though his music is significantly less palatable to a general audience... still, he's a bit of a 'token' player of free music, with a lot of free tenor tropes and nothing much to show for them. Vandermark was on that slide as well for a minute, but he seemed to get back on track and I think his output of the last few years has been great.

I could swear I saw it advertised at one point while Googling Carducci, but I could be wrong. In any event... great record.

Juba-Lee is around and findable, but I'm not sure if it's on CD. If so, it would be Japanese. Maupin has the first solo of the record, and it's a stormer.

Earl Freeman played one hell of an electric bass...

Yeah, a landmark. The Coryell piece is wigged, too. There's another previous LP called Communications (originally on Dutch Fontana, put to CD by ECM) that features a lengthy Mantler piece with a great tenor soloist by the name of Bob Carducci.

I think Freddie Waits plays saw on the record in question, but I'm too lazy to get up and look. Probably didn't want to ruin Waits's image as a drummer!

No, 21st.

Sorry, I guess that implies that our 'Conn' is inside my LP, which he is not last time I checked.

Conn, does that mean you're sending it to him without the jewel case and the white plastic tray? Ouch... Me, I prefer the Conn insert in a nice NY Mono LP.