clifford_thornton

I wondered that as well. Freedman is a motherfucker, and the second ESP has not one, but two white cats... I think there's an apt Miles quote somewhere in here.

$75 or so.

Well, for my two cents, one has to assume that major companies still have the master tapes to all of it - they usually don't like to go from vinyl sources, and a lot of tapes get lost or degrade beyond usability. As for leasing catalogs, ECM is owned by Universal, so I can imagine that might be quite a headache. If you can, I suppose you'd want to deal with the artists - though some of them are as out of it and loony as the labels...

I thought I'd see if not Abe, Togashi and Yoshizawa, at least Masahiko Sato or Takashi Kako in there. Don't know about most of the cats on that list, though... Hino is not my bag, really.

Well, not jazz but... Vincent le Masne / Bertrand Porquet "Guitares Derive" (Shandar) minimalist guitar music that takes its cue from Steve Reich, and has had its licks copped by many a hipster avant-folkie.

Pakistani Pomade (UMS/FMP) is another good place to start. Classic first Parker-Schlippenbach-Lovens LP.

It is good, and it is rare... don't have a copy of it, but it's one I'm always thinking about picking up. A lot of Sony jazz LPs from that time frame are uncommon.

Sorry to lead astray; I was going from LPs and had thought some were reissued that weren't and some were that I'm surprised about. Could swear I saw Definite on CD but oh well... Yeah, Voyage from Jericho is sweet.

I would think the Storyville and Steeplechase stuff would be in print still - The Definite Charles Tyler is pretty good (w/Khan Jamal and Johnny Dyani). Admittedly, my favor goes with the earlier recordings on Ak-Ba, Chuck, and ESP. Not sure if Saga is in print - it WAS on CD at one point. Eastern Man Alone, his 2nd for ESP, was reissued a couple of years ago.

Thanks Chuck, and thanks Brownie for the story. I feel like I've seen Strickland's name somewhere, but I can't remember where. Yeah, Charles Tyler really never makes the tier that he should. His baritone playing is great, his voice across instruments very different. Another great cast member for that interstellar orchestra that we've got...

Born today in 1941... cheers and Happy Birthday to the late Charles Lacy Tyler, altoist with the Aylers and a wonderful reedman in his own right. Post your thoughts on Cha-Lacy here.

Boy, I'd hate to see your reaction to Sunny Murray!

Well, Hicks was on at least one of those Columbias, though I believe the drummer was Steve McCall.

That is a really good record, though I saw that very same band live and it didn't work very well - too much competition and not enough flow. At the end of the day, I'd take the separate 3's.

As for Han, I was following somebody else's post. But he does find himself in other contexts than 'free,' that is for sure. Early Mengelberg 'Kwartet' is not free jazz, though definitely vanguard in its approach. I would call Dolphy post-bop though his influence ranges far from that tree, so Han's work with Eric would fall into this category as well. Hamid is weak.

Hey, Blakey isn't my favorite either - but I think it actually has to do with how repetitive the '60s Messengers records are IMO, not his playing. Put him with Herbie Nichols and it's like Cecil and Denis. Nor is DeJohnette, though his playing never made me 'not' buy something. I'm a big Han fan but I can see why his shtick annoys a lot of people. Still, his playing in the late '60s is less about that, and you can see what an excellent, hard-swinging and still very wiley drummer he could be. Those mid/late '60s Misha Quartet records give a good example, as does the New Acoustic Swing Duo and Marion Brown's Porto Novo, any of the early ICP records, etc.

Miles at the Plugged Nickel volume 2 (CBS Sony LP)

Yeah, especially since they both played with Haden and Motian in Montreal in '89!

I will PM you on that, for sure. It would be very interesting to get something like that going. Thanks!

I was once asked to do an AAJ/NY Encore on him, but then we could not find out how to track him down. It would help him to have some recognition, I would think - if he wants to play, then at least to allow that to be a possibility. Does anyone know when he and Joanne split up, or what happened with that?

Those are the ones... what a story, Relyles, thanks for that. So unfortunate... He did play as a sideman on some JCOA dates in the early '70s. I don't know why he was less active in recording later in the decade, though I think he did perform during that period. I seem to remember seeing some loft flyers with his name mentioned.

Hell, even the cuts from Cecil's Into the Hot session would work well - atonal R&B!

With that band, '84 sounds right to me. Bobby Battle isn't really around much these days, is he?

Peter Brotzmann once said that the freest thing he'd ever witnessed was Jackie Mc and Art Taylor in a duo at the American Center in Paris in the early '70s.

I've always liked the fact that it ends abruptly. I think that's the point - it makes one consider everything that led up to it maybe a little more carefully.