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I Know you guys are far beyond this: you check how many RVG's fingerprints is possible to find on a very, very early pressing, and Ruppli's and Cuscuna's Book substituted your bible near the bed ages ago, but a useful link for some illiterate like me, with pictures. http://www.ronpenndorf.com/labelography.html

I noted that most of the Mingus Atlantic Recordings are available at AcousticSound. Do you know them? I suspect they are mastered by Rhino, and I don't know nothing about sound quality, masters, ecc. Did you ever compare them with originals? I have the Atlantic Coltrane box and I think the sound is fair, but I never compared it with originals. Tha main question is : Is it really worth, musically speaking, spend time and money on Mingus originals? thanks

THE GRIFFITH PARK COLLECTION 2 IN CONCERT S. CLARKE C. COREA J. HENDERSON F. HUBBARD L. WHITE Never know it existed!!!

Steve Reid "RHYTHMATISM"

Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy "I Only Have Eyes For You" ECM. I simply forgot how many joy this record gave to me during the late 80's

Thanks!!! I could not bid till the very last minute due to time zone: in Italy the ending time is usually in the middle of the night and I use to sleep. I put the max I am ready to pay, considering the average price on former auctions. The only price out of control was the Brooke's set, someone outbidded me for 2 bucks so I bidded again 2 bucks more, I was expecting to be outbid in the last minutes, I went to bed and the next morning I discovered I had to pay more than 300 dollars, definitely too much for this set. Another consideration: the Rivers set price is cheaper then the near mint copies of the original albums, (without considering the extra takes). The Blakey, Morgan and Mobley sets are hugely cheaper than the single Lps, apart some very late Liberty pressing. And Mosaics sets are usually well cared by the former owners, I would not say the same for most BN 50's and 60's Lp I see on eBay. So, if you want the music on vinyl Mosaic is the cheapest way to get it. If you want the music tout court cd sets are cheapest, and sometimes single cds are cheaper than Mosaic.

What I hate of rock (and sometimes jazz) box sets is the mix of alt and outtakes with official album. I loved the Velvet and the Dead box sets, full of demo and live unissued tracks but, at the same times I hate to dupe my Lps, so my vote for the best rock box set goes for the Hendrix, all unrealeased material, and you can have it even on vinyl!! Nuggets is great too, all unavailable music. BTW you should also listen to Chuck Berry's Chess Box sets and Little Richards "Speciality Sessions", all the singles togheter!!!

Thanks guys!!! I will tell you the story about my Lp's love. I growned in Lp era, but when I went to university, the lack of room forced me to leave my loved records in my parent's house like my old Thorens, (I loved that machine!). Lps are heavy and bulky for a student that change a tiny room with a more tiny room every six months!! I recorded them on cassettes and moved to college, where I could find some fellow who had Lps to record. Later I had to move to Rome for my job, and the same problem, room, prevent me to listen at vinyls, cds were getting cheaper so I went for them. I bought a bigger apartment, my first owned apartment, 6 years ago, and I recovered my old vinyls and the Thorens from my parent's garage. I also found a good used Lp store two blocks from home! Then I substituted the Thorens with a Linn and ... you know what happend afterwards!! I do not know if analog sound is always better than digital one, I do not compare every single Lp with cd to decide what is the best one, infact I had not duplicates, only when I found outtakes or alternate takes on cd. My first choice is always vinyl when is available at reasonable price, I would not buy a Mobley original mono pressing for 3000 bucks, the Mosaics seems to me a great alternative. I buy new cds of labels like Tzadik, Ecm, Label Bleu or italian jazz label like Red Records. I do listen to them, I like new music, but with old music I go for vinyl. I love the big colored covers, (Do you know someone who lost his times looking for people in "Sergent's Pepper's" cd cover without a microscope?) and I am getting older, I hate to use glasses for reading cd's notes!! With Lp I rediscovered the pure pleasure to listen at music. I do not care about moderate pops, clicks and hiss, on the contrary, sometimes I found it more "human". The relationship with Lp is more physical, you have to handle it with care, put the spike on the grooves and you can see it spinning. I found all this enjoyable. I work with computers, I am using a computer right now, I use them like useful machines to make my life more confortable, but a turntable is not only a machine, it's a pleasure to look at. Maybe I am only an old "stupid" romantic guy worried to ageing and the analog era remembers me when I was young. If so, I do not see any problems for anybody rather than me and my wife that is scared to handle my Lps. My son loves my vinyl mania, infact when I bought the Classic reissues of Led Zeppelin he got my old cds!!! P.S. Wolff, I am monitoring the Cd sets on Ebay, as soon I will have a correct idea of their value, I will put them on sale here, at a reasonable price.

Sorry guys, but I can pay with credit card and save the cost of shipping, that is more than 25/30 bucks for an insuranced air shipping from US to Italy, I can't loose the chance. Anyway I lost the Mobley, Redd, Baker, Jones and Monk. An advise: I am not interested in pre bop Jazz. See ya on eBay. B-) BTW anybody interested in Mosaic CD sets?

I say Marantz and Rotel, good sounding and strong machine. Probably some Sony too, but I never listen to them.

It depends, what is your budget?

Dear Chuck, I think the people on this thread are interested in music. Is it harmful for you if we are interested also in discussing minor technical matters like this? I do not like to be call "stupid" on a board. I though I could find here "stupid mates" for discussing "stupid thing" and change "stupid informations" like these. I do not see any danger for the music industry and your business, on the contrary. I do not see any danger for human beings in this "stupid" hobby, (we are not killing or insulting or polluting). Is it wrong to care of the money you invest in the music? I do not know, I do not care, if I were really interested in money, I would buy houses or some Hulliburton's stocks. Anyway the cheapest way "to care the delivery of the music" as you said would be to copy a cd and you do not like it, do you? (as you do not like the european copyright laws). BTW I am worried about a lot of things like my children health, pollution and the next american elections, the "digital curse" does not awake me in the middle of the night.

Actually, I had to decide if change my old car or buy a Burmester, you know what happened!! BTW I use a motorbike for my move

I bought a Burmester two years ago, and I am very happy of it, definitely a better focus, expecially on bass. All system sounds more natural, airy, less compressed. Obviously I am talking of nuance. I can't compare it with the difference I had when I changed my old Thorens Td 166 with a Lynn Lp12. here you have the link http://www.burmester.de/english/components...tioner-948.html

Frank Zappa "You Are What You Is"

Thanks. I am thinking it could depends of the playback system they have at the time, that probably lacked "dinamic", or "punch" compared to today's system, so the mastering engineers "pushed up the volume".

This is not a jazz comparison, but I like to know if my opinion could worths as well for BN originals/reissues Lp, that I didn't own. I have a UK first pressing of Led Zeppelin II and the Classic reissue. I noted a "philosophical difference" between the Lp, the Classic leans toward definition, I can hear the hand of Jimmy Page sliding on the guitar, but it lacks the punch of the original. I am not saying it lacks dinamic, but... Do you have the same impressions with BN?

Greatly reccomended!! To my ears trumpet sound is considerably better on vinyl, less "icy" than cd, but the last Columbia Boxes I heard (BB, OTSW, Blackhawk) sound better than the early ones (Evans, Quintet). Maybe you can loose some "definition" that is not always a bad thing (loosing "high end" sound I mean)!

Sorry guys, it seems I opened the pandora's box of your worst nightmare!! I agree with Dimitri, at least in my system the Lps sounds usually better anyway. I compared the Zappa's vinyls issued in the boxes "the old masters" in mid eighties (digitally remastered by FZ) with the cds (digitally remastered and remixed by FZ just before Frank's death). The Lps are better in my opinion. I compared also some of the first pressing promo copies I have from Zappa's own collection (all analog) and they sound different (usually better, but not always). Even the "digitally recorded" ECM Lps sound better than cds. I was asking myself if to upgrade my Mosaic cd with Mosaic Lp worth the money, an analog master was a good point.

I started to buy some Mosaic Lp sets, assuming they come from analog masters, but I discovered in the Classic Records Inc' topic that the Nichols set is: "Digital transfers: Ron McMaster". I have the Candid Mingus set and is "mastered by RVG" as stamped on dead wax, the word "digital" did not compare in any place on the booklet. I am not paranoid about digital, I do have cds and I do listen to them (sometimes), but because of the price's big difference from Lp and Cd sets I would like to know for what I throw my money. May you check your sets and submit some information about it? It will be greatly appreciated.

I followed your suggestions. Check eBay auctions, popsike and used record store on the web. I discover the following things: 1 the average price for a cd set is between 30and 50 dollars per cd 2 the average price for an Lp set is between 50 and 100 dollars per Lp for a 5/8 Lp/cd set, higher price for smaller set, lower prices for bigger. Prices also depends on grading and rarities: if the music is out of print and available only on Mosaic, like Giuffre or Lewis/Jones. Wolf, it will be a long and expensive way to get all those Lps!!!

Your post makes sense, the records collecting market would follow the market rules, the rarest the most expensive, but since I follow Ebay and used records store, I started to have doubts about it. It would be very interesting to know how many copies of Mosaic sets, cd and Lp, are turning around the world.

That's what I thought. I didn't do any research about the different value between cd and Lp because The Ebay prices are, let's say "bizarre", but as Wolf as pointed out, I could add a difference and the shipping cost. If anyone is interested make an offer

I decided to swap my CD Mosaic sets with the same Lp sets. Because I am not a dealer, I would like to avoid the hell of Ebay craziness, paypal fees, etc., so I try here. Some information: All my sets are Mint/Near Mint, a part minor damages on some boxes, I am expecting the same condition for Lp. I live in Italy so consider the cost of shipping, at least 15 bucks from USA. I will swop them at the same price, that means you have to spend the shipping cost as I. Here there is the list of sets: #124 The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Freddie Redd #130 The Complete Recordings of T-Bone Walker 1940-1954 #141 The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Art Blakey's 1960 Jazz Messengers #150 The Complete Blue Note 1964-66 Jackie McLean Sessions #151 The Complete Solid State Recordings of the Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra #161 - The Complete Blue Note Andrew Hill Sessions (1963-66) #162 The Complete Blue Note Lee Morgan Fifties Sessions #166 The Complete Blue Note/UA Curtis Fuller Sessions #167 The Complete Blue Note Sam Rivers Sessions #169 The Complete Columbia J.J. Johnson Small Group Sessions #172 The Complete Blue Note/UA/Roulette Recordings of Thad Jones #174 The Complete Atlantic Recordings of Lennie Tristano, Lee Konitz & Warne Marsh #175 The Complete Pacific Jazz Recordings of the Chico Hamilton Quintet #178 The Complete Blue Note Blue Mitchell Sessions (1963-67) Any suggestions are welcome!!

No, you're not! I buy every reissues I could find and am interested for, from jazz to classic rock. The Classics are not overpriced IMO, compared to the used originals on Ebay, and sound good, but I do not have the very first deep grovve pressing to test!! I found the Analogue Production of Fantasy, Riverside and Prestige lp pretty good. Did you own some OJC? How is the sound quality? For 10 bucks they sound like a bargain in these times!