porcy62

Thanks!!! I could not bid till the very last minute due to time zone: in Italy the ending time is usually in the middle of the night and I use to sleep. I put the max I am ready to pay, considering the average price on former auctions. The only price out of control was the Brooke's set, someone outbidded me for 2 bucks so I bidded again 2 bucks more, I was expecting to be outbid in the last minutes, I went to bed and the next morning I discovered I had to pay more than 300 dollars, definitely too much for this set. Another consideration: the Rivers set price is cheaper then the near mint copies of the original albums, (without considering the extra takes). The Blakey, Morgan and Mobley sets are hugely cheaper than the single Lps, apart some very late Liberty pressing. And Mosaics sets are usually well cared by the former owners, I would not say the same for most BN 50's and 60's Lp I see on eBay. So, if you want the music on vinyl Mosaic is the cheapest way to get it. If you want the music tout court cd sets are cheapest, and sometimes single cds are cheaper than Mosaic.

What I hate of rock (and sometimes jazz) box sets is the mix of alt and outtakes with official album. I loved the Velvet and the Dead box sets, full of demo and live unissued tracks but, at the same times I hate to dupe my Lps, so my vote for the best rock box set goes for the Hendrix, all unrealeased material, and you can have it even on vinyl!! Nuggets is great too, all unavailable music. BTW you should also listen to Chuck Berry's Chess Box sets and Little Richards "Speciality Sessions", all the singles togheter!!!

Thanks guys!!! I will tell you the story about my Lp's love. I growned in Lp era, but when I went to university, the lack of room forced me to leave my loved records in my parent's house like my old Thorens, (I loved that machine!). Lps are heavy and bulky for a student that change a tiny room with a more tiny room every six months!! I recorded them on cassettes and moved to college, where I could find some fellow who had Lps to record. Later I had to move to Rome for my job, and the same problem, room, prevent me to listen at vinyls, cds were getting cheaper so I went for them. I bought a bigger apartment, my first owned apartment, 6 years ago, and I recovered my old vinyls and the Thorens from my parent's garage. I also found a good used Lp store two blocks from home! Then I substituted the Thorens with a Linn and ... you know what happend afterwards!! I do not know if analog sound is always better than digital one, I do not compare every single Lp with cd to decide what is the best one, infact I had not duplicates, only when I found outtakes or alternate takes on cd. My first choice is always vinyl when is available at reasonable price, I would not buy a Mobley original mono pressing for 3000 bucks, the Mosaics seems to me a great alternative. I buy new cds of labels like Tzadik, Ecm, Label Bleu or italian jazz label like Red Records. I do listen to them, I like new music, but with old music I go for vinyl. I love the big colored covers, (Do you know someone who lost his times looking for people in "Sergent's Pepper's" cd cover without a microscope?) and I am getting older, I hate to use glasses for reading cd's notes!! With Lp I rediscovered the pure pleasure to listen at music. I do not care about moderate pops, clicks and hiss, on the contrary, sometimes I found it more "human". The relationship with Lp is more physical, you have to handle it with care, put the spike on the grooves and you can see it spinning. I found all this enjoyable. I work with computers, I am using a computer right now, I use them like useful machines to make my life more confortable, but a turntable is not only a machine, it's a pleasure to look at. Maybe I am only an old "stupid" romantic guy worried to ageing and the analog era remembers me when I was young. If so, I do not see any problems for anybody rather than me and my wife that is scared to handle my Lps. My son loves my vinyl mania, infact when I bought the Classic reissues of Led Zeppelin he got my old cds!!! P.S. Wolff, I am monitoring the Cd sets on Ebay, as soon I will have a correct idea of their value, I will put them on sale here, at a reasonable price.

Sorry guys, but I can pay with credit card and save the cost of shipping, that is more than 25/30 bucks for an insuranced air shipping from US to Italy, I can't loose the chance. Anyway I lost the Mobley, Redd, Baker, Jones and Monk. An advise: I am not interested in pre bop Jazz. See ya on eBay. B-) BTW anybody interested in Mosaic CD sets?

I say Marantz and Rotel, good sounding and strong machine. Probably some Sony too, but I never listen to them.

It depends, what is your budget?

Dear Chuck, I think the people on this thread are interested in music. Is it harmful for you if we are interested also in discussing minor technical matters like this? I do not like to be call "stupid" on a board. I though I could find here "stupid mates" for discussing "stupid thing" and change "stupid informations" like these. I do not see any danger for the music industry and your business, on the contrary. I do not see any danger for human beings in this "stupid" hobby, (we are not killing or insulting or polluting). Is it wrong to care of the money you invest in the music? I do not know, I do not care, if I were really interested in money, I would buy houses or some Hulliburton's stocks. Anyway the cheapest way "to care the delivery of the music" as you said would be to copy a cd and you do not like it, do you? (as you do not like the european copyright laws). BTW I am worried about a lot of things like my children health, pollution and the next american elections, the "digital curse" does not awake me in the middle of the night.

Actually, I had to decide if change my old car or buy a Burmester, you know what happened!! BTW I use a motorbike for my move

I bought a Burmester two years ago, and I am very happy of it, definitely a better focus, expecially on bass. All system sounds more natural, airy, less compressed. Obviously I am talking of nuance. I can't compare it with the difference I had when I changed my old Thorens Td 166 with a Lynn Lp12. here you have the link http://www.burmester.de/english/components...tioner-948.html

Frank Zappa "You Are What You Is"

Thanks. I am thinking it could depends of the playback system they have at the time, that probably lacked "dinamic", or "punch" compared to today's system, so the mastering engineers "pushed up the volume".

This is not a jazz comparison, but I like to know if my opinion could worths as well for BN originals/reissues Lp, that I didn't own. I have a UK first pressing of Led Zeppelin II and the Classic reissue. I noted a "philosophical difference" between the Lp, the Classic leans toward definition, I can hear the hand of Jimmy Page sliding on the guitar, but it lacks the punch of the original. I am not saying it lacks dinamic, but... Do you have the same impressions with BN?

Greatly reccomended!! To my ears trumpet sound is considerably better on vinyl, less "icy" than cd, but the last Columbia Boxes I heard (BB, OTSW, Blackhawk) sound better than the early ones (Evans, Quintet). Maybe you can loose some "definition" that is not always a bad thing (loosing "high end" sound I mean)!

Sorry guys, it seems I opened the pandora's box of your worst nightmare!! I agree with Dimitri, at least in my system the Lps sounds usually better anyway. I compared the Zappa's vinyls issued in the boxes "the old masters" in mid eighties (digitally remastered by FZ) with the cds (digitally remastered and remixed by FZ just before Frank's death). The Lps are better in my opinion. I compared also some of the first pressing promo copies I have from Zappa's own collection (all analog) and they sound different (usually better, but not always). Even the "digitally recorded" ECM Lps sound better than cds. I was asking myself if to upgrade my Mosaic cd with Mosaic Lp worth the money, an analog master was a good point.

I started to buy some Mosaic Lp sets, assuming they come from analog masters, but I discovered in the Classic Records Inc' topic that the Nichols set is: "Digital transfers: Ron McMaster". I have the Candid Mingus set and is "mastered by RVG" as stamped on dead wax, the word "digital" did not compare in any place on the booklet. I am not paranoid about digital, I do have cds and I do listen to them (sometimes), but because of the price's big difference from Lp and Cd sets I would like to know for what I throw my money. May you check your sets and submit some information about it? It will be greatly appreciated.

I followed your suggestions. Check eBay auctions, popsike and used record store on the web. I discover the following things: 1 the average price for a cd set is between 30and 50 dollars per cd 2 the average price for an Lp set is between 50 and 100 dollars per Lp for a 5/8 Lp/cd set, higher price for smaller set, lower prices for bigger. Prices also depends on grading and rarities: if the music is out of print and available only on Mosaic, like Giuffre or Lewis/Jones. Wolf, it will be a long and expensive way to get all those Lps!!!

Your post makes sense, the records collecting market would follow the market rules, the rarest the most expensive, but since I follow Ebay and used records store, I started to have doubts about it. It would be very interesting to know how many copies of Mosaic sets, cd and Lp, are turning around the world.

That's what I thought. I didn't do any research about the different value between cd and Lp because The Ebay prices are, let's say "bizarre", but as Wolf as pointed out, I could add a difference and the shipping cost. If anyone is interested make an offer

I decided to swap my CD Mosaic sets with the same Lp sets. Because I am not a dealer, I would like to avoid the hell of Ebay craziness, paypal fees, etc., so I try here. Some information: All my sets are Mint/Near Mint, a part minor damages on some boxes, I am expecting the same condition for Lp. I live in Italy so consider the cost of shipping, at least 15 bucks from USA. I will swop them at the same price, that means you have to spend the shipping cost as I. Here there is the list of sets: #124 The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Freddie Redd #130 The Complete Recordings of T-Bone Walker 1940-1954 #141 The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Art Blakey's 1960 Jazz Messengers #150 The Complete Blue Note 1964-66 Jackie McLean Sessions #151 The Complete Solid State Recordings of the Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra #161 - The Complete Blue Note Andrew Hill Sessions (1963-66) #162 The Complete Blue Note Lee Morgan Fifties Sessions #166 The Complete Blue Note/UA Curtis Fuller Sessions #167 The Complete Blue Note Sam Rivers Sessions #169 The Complete Columbia J.J. Johnson Small Group Sessions #172 The Complete Blue Note/UA/Roulette Recordings of Thad Jones #174 The Complete Atlantic Recordings of Lennie Tristano, Lee Konitz & Warne Marsh #175 The Complete Pacific Jazz Recordings of the Chico Hamilton Quintet #178 The Complete Blue Note Blue Mitchell Sessions (1963-67) Any suggestions are welcome!!

No, you're not! I buy every reissues I could find and am interested for, from jazz to classic rock. The Classics are not overpriced IMO, compared to the used originals on Ebay, and sound good, but I do not have the very first deep grovve pressing to test!! I found the Analogue Production of Fantasy, Riverside and Prestige lp pretty good. Did you own some OJC? How is the sound quality? For 10 bucks they sound like a bargain in these times!

Because I am a hard core fanatic of FZ I bought at http://storesense01.dynamic.net/zappa/Sear...+Vaultage+Vinyl at http://www.zappa.com all the vinyl I could find, most of them are pristine first pressing promo copy, (not white label) owned by Zappa itself; (am I getting fetichist?) I testify I am not related with these guys, this is not an advertising, just an advise if you are interested about FZ stuff , maybe a bit pricey... One advise: I don't know if I were unlucky, maybe the international shipping, or the big box, or the CC, but it tooks to me several MONTHS to get the Lps, their customers service are not the best I found in my life, they are friendly but hugely slow...So if you buy from them be prepared to spend some times on the phone. GOOD LUCK!! "DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER TO VOTE" FZ

I hope you will do it after the summer holydays, because I will out for a while. BTW what I looking for are titles of 60's of Andrew Hill, Ornette, McLean, Rivers, Taylor, etc, that kind of stuff , anyway I will appreciate any BN Lp

Thanks to all!! What I got from your replies is very useful. From my point of view the Classic and Japan reissues are easier (new and used), because I have to buy them on internet, e-shop or ebay, in Italy BN Lp disappear from used record store ten years ago and never reappear!! As someone as pointed out a 35 years old Liberty is hard to find in good condition, (and you find them on Ebay and it will be costly anyway, because of shipping, between 10 and 15 dollars for a single Lp), I bought on Ebay several Lps, mostly classic rock, and "near mint" has a very broad meaning!! There is no point buying a Liberty on Ebay for $ 20 risking $ 30 for shipping it back! From this point of view a $ 300 deep groove first pressing etc... would make more sense. On the other hand e-shops usually graded their Lps correctly and you can spare shipping cost buying more Lps but they have mostly so called "audiophile" Lp. In my experience used audiophile Lps are in better condition. What I will probably do after the summer holydays is trying to change my Mosaic cd sets with the same Lp set. porcy62

I own most of Blue Note titles on cds, Mosaic included, and I own some late seventie's european Lp pressings. I would like to collect some of them on vinyl, but where to start? Original deep grooves or first pressing are usually too expensive for my pocket. I noted japan pressings are cheaper, or Conn's, or Direct Metal Mastering, or some BN regular reissues, but american or european pressing, are they so differents? I followed also the Classic reissues forum. There is some BN's lucky owner, or expert, that can give me some good and moderatly cheap suggestions? I will appreciate. porcy62

It's not the British league, but the English Premiership. Sorry for the mistake!!! I could say the same about italian league: we call it SERIE A, anyway if you wish understand my poor english... I will remember it when a dutch tourist ask for the Colosseo...(in English, of course) B) I hear you. What I meant to say is, that people are often talking about England when they mean Great Britain (which also includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, of course) and the other way around. I also meant to say that there is no British League, just an English League (in fact there are two, the Premiership and the Football League), a Scottish Premier League, a Welsh League and a Northern Irish League. By the way, your English is OK as far as I'm concerned. I knew it, but sometimes you forgot the difference, maybe is my poor english that we, all no ENGLISH-language-born have to study to communicate... BTW I lived in England for a couple of years, and I travelled through Scotland, Cornowall and Wales and I remember they teach you the difference...