Tim McG

Gee wiz, Dan. Try decaf.

It is a leading question without an answer and it is designed to get people to believe something without facts in evidence. A rhetorical question it is not.

Basic physics: force equals mass times velocity acceleration. The force you hit a baseball with is affected by the weight and speed of the bat. Stronger players can generate greater bat speed, or generate the same bat speed with a heavier bat. Yes, bat speed is a variable affected by other factors - the arc of your swing, reflexes/reaction times . . . and yes, it's true that muscle mass sometimes gets in the way of greater bat speed. Because they can see the ball better, too. Bat head speed is only one part of the equation: Timing and skill [including accuracy] are the other two thirds. Funny he should leave this tid bit of information out of his "analysis." I would stress, again, that I don't have anything but the sketchy information in the public record on what Barry Bonds took and when, and how it helped him. And this guy complains about Carroll's article in the Times? Whoa. But again: if strength has nothing to do with power, why have stronger players always, as a class, hit for more power? And the answer would be...? The guy sure asks a lot of unanswered questions. More supposition compounded.

He who, Dan? Surely you can't be referring to me, now, can you...?

Thank you, Jazzmoose. I am arguing that there isn't sufficient proof he used steroids. Secondly, I am arguing that steroids create muscle mass, not HR hitters. Thirdly, I am arguing that even if true, steroids or strength do not compensate for vision, timing and skill. Hence, HRs are not the automatic result of their use. Lastly, [and why this is such a hard sell, I will never know] all of us are accorded the same constitutional privilege as a Barry Bonds: The right to a fair trial and a right to have his case heard by a court of law...and not by tried in the court of public opinion. Our laws require hard evidence, not innuendo or supposition. To assume less, even for Bonds, is to undermine the very rights we all covet for ourselves. I simply cannot make it any more plain then that. Hmm. Well, I'm with you on two all the way. And three should be obvious to anyone who has seen Hank Aaron. And I understand your 'lastly' point, and hear where you're coming from. But it's always fun to speculate and discuss things, and as far as speculating and discussing, your "one" is full of shit. But have fun! Fair enough.

Cooled down a smidge in my neck o'the woods. 70s today....was 95 a day ago.

Thank you, Jazzmoose. I am arguing that there isn't sufficient proof he used steroids. Secondly, I am arguing that steroids create muscle mass, not HR hitters. Thirdly, I am arguing that even if true, steroids or strength do not compensate for vision, timing and skill. Hence, HRs are not the automatic result of their use. Lastly, [and why this is such a hard sell, I will never know] all of us are accorded the same constitutional privilege as a Barry Bonds: The right to a fair trial and a right to have his case heard by a court of law...and not by tried in the court of public opinion. Our laws require hard evidence, not innuendo or supposition. To assume less, even for Bonds, is to undermine the very rights we all covet for ourselves. I simply cannot make it any more plain then that.

I see. Lets revisit then, shall we? Hm. Well, I have a neighbor looks like he's a potential thug. Should I call the police now?

Every other poster...? That would be 50% right? I'm OK with that. And for the record, I would defend anyone not given the basic constitutional right to a fair trial.

What about your eyes and his big fat effin' head? Just seems like a "Mr. Obvious" moment. Hm. Well, I have a neighbor looks like he's a potential thug. Should I call the police now? If you don't know about the relationship of steroid use to cranial size increase, then you don't have any business posting on this threa.. oh nevermind. Your post speaks for itself. Does it. Hm. Seems you assailed me because of a lack of being able to see with my eyes. I'm thinking you might want to do a study on the mechanics of hitting a baseball....or on assuming someone is guilty just because he looks like he could commit a crime Just sayin'.

What about your eyes and his big fat effin' head? Just seems like a "Mr. Obvious" moment. Hm. Well, I have a neighbor looks like he's a potential thug. Should I call the police now?

Yeah, yeah. sheesh

whats the deal with this lincecum dude? i read that he looks like billy the kid, and that people have been calling him "the franchise"? Is he all that dominant or is this hype? I haven't seen him pitch in person yet, but from what I can tell from watching on television he has some seriously good stuff. Plus, he seems to have focus and doesn't look like he gets rattled to easily. It's still early, but I think he shows some real promise....and a triple digit fastball to go along with it.

Personally, I give it ten seconds. Hasn't killed me yet.

Hey! Lincecum got his first win last night! Maybe there is hope for the Giants' bullpen after all.

The strength you gain via steriods plus the right kind of exercise gives you the ability to RESPOND more effectively (more quickly in terms of response time and more powerfully in terms of bat speed) to the information your vision provides -- given the skills and talents that you already possess. Few skills, little talent, add steriods and the right kind of exercise, and you've got crap. Start with imposing skills and talent, add steriods and the right kind of exercise, and you've got Bonds or Soso or Clemens or any number of others. There are a host of mediocre ballplayers who've taken steriods and don't have a lot to show for it, for the reason mentioned above. Also, one would suspect that an athlete in the Bonds-Sosa-Clemens class, once he's processed the knowledge that his reshaped body can respond so much better -- more rapidly and powerfully -- than it did before, would find that his mental awareness of that reshaped body's capabilites has increased considerably as well, e.g. his ability to wait later on pitches that his pre-steriod self would have had to respond to earlier and probably less accurately. I agree...the potential is there. No question. All's I'm saying is to blithly cast aside a Barry Bonds as little more than an astrisk is just plain foolish and shows very little understanding of greatness. All the "evidence" shows is there might be a possibility he juiced and that's it. Again, I will be the first to admit I was wrong if it is ever proved Bonds did steroids. I have said this innumerable times. But it's going to take a lot more than an ex-girlfriend and a media guide. Call me spoiled.

You know...I bought a gun once. Never used it. Does this make me an expert marksman?

Prove it.

Only half a brain? A mental midget can read this and see nothing but hearsay testimony and a document alleging something that was never witnessed. Not an ounce of substantial fact or evidence in that piece, Dan. None. Quit fooling yourself. Besides, if is true, steroids still do not make anyone a HR hitter, Dan.

Strength doesn't make you a HR hitter, Dan. I have said that time and again...how does this make me a liar and how is it incongruent with my position on steroids not making you a HR hitter? Dan, it is because Bonds is that good, OK? Stop comparing him to "every athlete"...he is a one of a kind. Why is this so hard to understand? Geez...what do you want a recorded history of all extrordinary performances by any human, alive or dead?

BTW...here's a link, Dan. ESPN.com And, if you will note, Bonds hit over 40 HRs three years in a row after the record breaking season and four times before that year. All on juice? Right.

Why, if strength is not remotely related to home runs, did Bonds undertake such strenuous "efforts" to become bigger and stronger?? Never said that. What I did say was steroids only create muscle mass and do not make you a HR hitter. They do not give you vision, skill or talent. As to the effort Bonds took in gaining muscle mass....I believe it's called weight lifting and nutrition suppliments [Joe Weder would be one such product]. You can quote me if you'd like. As Noj so correctly pointed out, Bonds is still hitting HRs. Additionally, he has been tested three times and has come up clean all three times. That kinda blows the whole steroid theory right there, my myopic friend. Why did Bonds change from a decent power hitter to an extraordinary power hitter at such a late stage in his athletic career, and why do you think it is merely coincidence that his home runs jumped after he packed on 30 or 40 pounds of muscle? Decent? Better go back and check his stats, Dan. He was a seven time MVP before the alleged doping took place. I dunno, Dan....what do you call a baseball player who hits between 25 and 45+ HRs every single year? Wait, sorry...we already know that one, huh: A cheater. My bad. I think Bonds had a great, no, extraordinary year. Believe it or not, hard work does pay off, Dan. I now return you to our regularly scheduled obscenity laced tirade.

Oh, well in that case, I hereby declare myself as your spokesperson. Dan: Steroids make you hit homeruns and if you hit them you must be juicing. There is absolutely no other possible answer to anyone's success on the playing field. Goody: Your proof? Dan: I am the Great and Powerful Gould! I have spoken! Goody: Dan, you are aware, of course, that steroids only create muscle mass...they aren't some sort of a magic potion that gives a player vision and skill. Dan: You pathetic weasel! How dare you speak to me in that way...I am omnipotent! I and I alone possess all knowledge of how steroids work! Goody: M'kay. Can you tell me why you don't believe relative motion and physics have everything to do with bat head speed? Dan: You worthless pile of steaming excrement! I have spoken! Down and beg for mercy! Goody: Well, all righty then! It would appear that narrowmindedness has reached an alltime high. Congratulations. I think we're done here.

Now how cool is that Break a leg Alexander!

Because he denied knowing that these were steroids, when it was Bonds who directed Jason Giambi to his personal trainer, Anderson, and it was Anderson who put Giambi on "the cream" and "the clear" and Giambi fully knew what he was taking. He testified that he knew they were steroids. Is it plausible to believe that Greg Anderson told Giambi what he would be taking and not Bonds? So if somebody denies using steriods that automatically means he is....? Giambi isn't Bonds and he still uses HGHs...still no case. Try to "follow along": Giambi and Bonds were BOTH clients of BALCO and Greg Anderson. Giambi asked Anderson directly "you're Barry's personal trainer - what is his secret? How has he maintained his performance level and fitness level so deep into his 30s?" Anderson replied "You're familiar with steroids? Well, BALCO has some unbelievable steroids, they're undetectable and they kick ass (if you don't mind shrunken testicles, back acne or a swollen head). I'll give you the same ones I'm giving Barry." And Giambi said, "Cool!" Like I've said before: When everyone associated with BALCO knowingly received and injested the company's steroids, it is no great leap of faith to say that Barry Bonds, who was associated with BALCO and received their products and used them, also knowingly used steroids. Giambi doesn't speak for Barry Bonds....neither does Schilling the Liar. Try to follow along, OK?