Kevin Bresnahan

American Digital has cases without trays for $.12 each (when you buy 200). Seriously, they're only $.19 each for 50 so they are one of the cheapest places around.

I think the 2 CD JRVG of Clark's trio material is one of the best-sounding CD remasters I own. It is still listed as "available" at Red Trumpet for $35.99, which is a very good price for a 2 CD JRVG... well worth it for any Sonny Clark fan. I paid a lot more and I still think it was worth it. As for the Steve Hoffman remaster of the Time session, if you think the CD layer sounds good, wait 'til you get a chance to hear the SACD layer. What a gorgeous remaster. Later, Kevin EDIT: Red Trumpet is having a sale and you could get this 2 CD set for $31.99 right now! What a steal.

You still better run a virus scan... most viruses hide themselves from system restore. It may still be resident just waiting to do its evil. You might also want to run an AdAware scan. It could have been spyware that hosed everything up.

Actually, now that I think of it, it's not entirely true that the high-rez audio is only available through the analog outputs. On both the Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai and the DV49-AVi, there is an IEEE1394 output (which they call i-Link) that will output the high-rez audio digitally. However, it can only be "read" by a Pioneer receiver with IEEE1394 input and can only be decoded there. I just don't see the benefit to this... why would the receiver have better D/A converters than my player? In fact, my player might have even better converters than some of the receivers! Later, Kevin

I was under the impression that this was industry-wide. The analog-only for hi-rez audio was a demand that the content owners demanded of the hardware manufacturers in order to get the hi-rez audio format moving. If I'm wrong I'd love to see some specs that specifically say that hi-rez audio is available through a digital input. I'm not sure what you're asking here or maybe I just said it wrong... the PITA with forcing the multi-channel audio out of the analog outputs is that my Denon receiver can only automatically switch on digital inputs. This means that if I pop a DVD movie into my Pioneer DV-45A and my Denon is set to "Digital in", it automatically selects the audio surround mode. When I pop a multi-channel audio disc in the same machine, it shuts off the digital so my receiver sits there fat, dumb & happy with nothing coming out of the speakers. I have to go up to the receiver to switch it to the analog inputs... although there may be a button on the remote as well. The remote on this Denon receiver is a nightmare. Later, Kevin

Aye, there's the rub! Dye is everything. Everything. It has to be able to be burned with a low power laser. It also has to stay opaque forever (if it becomes translucent with time, it won't block the readback laser). Finding the right chemical composition that does this best is what is being fought out in the CD-R industry. I am not a chemist, but I believe the dye that seems to hold out best over time is PhthaloCyanine. It is clear to the eye. The main competitor is Cyanine, which is blue in color. I usually look for "clear dye" CD-Rs because I have read that PhthaloCyanine lasts longer. Of course, the maker of CD-Rs with Cyanine dye will claim there's is better. Who's right? Time will tell. Later, Kevin PS. the dyes used in CD-Rs are listed here.

Brandon, you've made an erroneous assumption here... there is no "burning metal" while making a CD-R. The only thing burned is the dye. A CD-R is made the exact same way as a regular CD except that the metal layer is perfectly flat and not all pitted like a manufactured CD. After plating, the metal layer is coated, also just like a regular CD... identical in process, in fact. After they make this "blank CD", they spray on the dye and then add another protective coating. If you look at a CD-R under a microsope (at an angle or else the light could reflect back), you might get an idea. As I said, the only thing that "burns" during the CD-R burning process is the dye. The laser in a CD burner is far too weak to do any harm to the metal. CD-RW is an entirely different beast. This "burn" is actually mutating the metal. CD-RWs are made with a special metal layer. This metal is affected by both temperature and magnetic fields. When you "burn" a 1 into a CD-RW, it is done by magnetically modifying the metal while the laser hits it. This causes a very, very slight disruption of the metal but just enough that the readback laser (lower power BTW) does not read a fully reflected light reading. This makes playback of CD-RWs a bit more tricky. The player must be able to discriminate between a weak '0' (because the CD-RW metal has a low reflectivity to begin with) and a '1' that is very close to a '0' in light power. In essence, the laser fires at the disc and reads the reflections. If it hits a "distorted" area, it gets less reflected power. It is hits a "flat" area, it gets back as much as that metal can reflect. There is no dye in a CD-RW. Later, Kevin

I looked long and hard at the Denon 2900 & 5400 this past November as my work gets a huge discount on Denon gear. I already had the Pioneer DV-45A and thought maybe one of these would be a step up, particularly the 5400 as it has a DVI output. During my research, I found that a lot of people were going through the same comparison. Many were choosing the Pioneer because the transport is world-class... bulletproof is the word used a lot. Others chose the Denon because it does come out "on top" in the video department, however, I love the picture on my Pioneer unit so this was less important. There are also a lot of problems with both Denons with respect to being truly "universal". They seem to gack on some SACD hybrids and mess up during playback on others. There's a whole slew of problems with the 5400 with the biggest one being that the firmware bunged up the DVI output... the whole reason I was looking at it in the first place! If I were looking for a new universal player, I would look long & hard at the Pioneer Elite DV59-AVi. This is Pioneer's latest universal player and it has a DVI output. Since Pioneer "lost" on the bench in the video shootout with the DV-45A and DV-47Ai (models), they will surely have worked on that aspect and I bet they improved. As for the sound, I love my Pioneer DV-45A, especially in the high-rez modes. Add to that this is the best CD player I've ever owned and I think I made the right decision when I chose to stay put. BTW, I did use my Denon discount to buy a Denon AVR-3803. Musically, it is a marvel and I think I made a wise choice in this regard. However, I am not all that in love with it's "auto mode" as a home theater box. I have to punch way too many buttons to switch between sources and modes with the biggest PITA being the fact that multi-channel high-rez audio will only work with analog inputs. In fact, if I could, I would swap it with an NAD T753, available on-line at Yawa, if someone wanted to take me up on it. In fact, I'd probably even consider a refurbished NAD T762. The NAD receivers look a lot "simpler" in design. The only fault I've read about is that the cooling fan is supposed to be pretty loud. If you want to go surround for audio, I can give you some advice: Don't do what I just did. I tried going the home theater route but I upgraded the rear speakers by picking up a pair of B&W 600 S3 bookshelf speakers. They are too weak back there when I play music. OK, but weak. Of course, having them mounted 6 feet up the wall doesn't help. In audio surround, there is full range music coming out of all 5 speakers. Buy 5 full range speakers and you'll be much better off. If money was no object, I'd get 5 B&W 604 S3 speakers. Bliss. Later, Kevin

You missed the point about CD-Rs in the article you posted... CD-R longevity has a lot more to do with the dye than the reflective material. Gold vs. silver is more for the CD-ROM application. When buying CD-Rs, it's the dye that's important not whether it's gold or aluminum. Both metals have very high reflectivity and both will last as long as the lacquer (label-side coating) does. BTW, when applying any longevity equations to CDs or CD-Rs, it should be noted that audio is much more forgiving to errors than data. Therefore, applications, saved documents, etc., where the ones and zeroes are unscrambled to form commands and words are much less likely to survive as long a musical performance since digital audio has better error correction.

Louder can be bad. Check out: The Death of Dynamic Range (which sadly has stripped the illuminating graphics) as well as the discussion here: CUbase.net - Pay particular attention to the post from Studio22. I don't think I've ever seen the problems summarized so well. FWIW, I have loaded several tunes from RVGs as well as current Ron McMaster CDs into a waveform analyzer and they don't appear to be heavily clipped. However, RVG may be playing the EQ game to allow him to pump of the level.

Chris, is this really necessary? I'll have to remember next time you mention the time you stayed at Lil's place or the brunch you had with Lew & Toshiko or the time time John (he was on the Pulitzer commitee!) told you that "Blood in the Fields" was "fixed" that you, just like me, are not a Jazz musician. We're alike, you and me... try to remember that. And for the record, for 100th time, I ask Michael Cuscuna stuff because we want to know about it. If you get good reissue info before me, do us all a favor and post it... Otherwise, leave me alone for doing this. I really want to take the high road here but if you keep this up, I will have to think about this approach. I've had disagreements with you. I have even called you a few choice names. But none of this is any cause for bringing my name up in a totally unrelated thread. I don't think this is relevant in a "Deep" thread and it's certainly not pertinent. Leave me out of it. Thanks, Kevin

Jim, As my last post here for a while (which will probably generate a big "hooray" from your band of sycophants), I'd like to give you a hearty FUCK YOU. You're an asshole for what you've said to me here on this thread. I did nothing to deserve this "non-musician" crap. I wasn't a musician when I made all those calls to Blue Note to get your posting rights turned back on... I wasn't a musician when I posted all that upcoming release information... and I'm not a musician now. I'm just a regular Jazz fan, like a majority of the people you're typing to. You can back off all you want and "qualify" your feelings on non-musicians, but the fact is, us non-musicians saw it and we now know your true feelings about us. I can only imagine what is in your personal make up for you to take this angle of attack on me and I can only wonder if there isn't some deep seated jealousy over something I can do that you can't.

Jim, you might not have personally helped to close that board but some posters did. I am not lumping everyone in on this. I look in the mirror and feel comfortable that I didn't post anything that caused Blue Note embarassment. Many others can feel the same. I just hate to see people like Jim Sangrey who act all righteous about the closure of that board like it was all Blue Note's fault. I couldn't disagree more. A lot of things combined to shut down that board. It might have been as simple as showing "approval" to some of the more outrageous behaviour. It might have been Aric's gangbang nuttiness. It might have been the "I'll burn it for you" posts or maybe the people who started posting anonymously to stir things up. Maybe it was a combination of all of the above. All I know is that one day I was talking to Blue Note, trying to get them to clean it up and I was told that some corporate weenies went there, saw a fetid cesspool (in their eyes), and the axe fell. I am still not happy about it. I miss the conversations we had... even with Tom Evered. In a way, I suppose I grudgingly agree that they should have shut it down to stop the insanity. However, I truly thought they were going to re-open that place. It saddens me that people here who used to go there can't see the European BN board as an opprotunity to continue to chat together and (maybe) get some corporate feedback. And yes, I mean in addition to organissimo. We can't have too many Jazz places. Later, Kevin

"Fucking ninny" and "nothing personal" in the same post? You see anything wrong with that? In your eyes, I'm not "close" to the music because I don't play? That's bullshit. Interesting to see you fall into this mindset... I would have guessed you thought better of us non-musicians, especially since you hang at this board which is comprised of about 95% non-musicians. So, qualifying your post with "Kevin and only Kevin" does nothing from preventing all the readers who aren't musicians (GASP!) from seeing it as a slam on them. Look at the post from our perspective and see how we see it. BTW, I've seen this attitude before on the 'Net... worst case being Bob Brookmeyer. I have always thought less of the musicians who think this way and it knocks you waaaaaay down my credibility list (like you care that some low-life non-musician feels). It's nice to know you think so highly of us peons. Just so we're even, I happen to think that your ability to play Jazz means squat when it comes to judging people so we can be even in our disdain for each other's "judgement". The way I see it, you don't like like it that I happened to think you were a jerk for pandering to Aric in this Norah Jones thread? Oh well, that's just the way this non-musician saw it. Others saw it that way too. We just have to continue to disagree on it. Just don't go blaming some corporate entity for shutting down a public forum with their name on it. Blame yourself for your attitude. Later, Kevin

"Criticsim" of Norah Jones? How about a refresher course in why Blue Note died shortly after Norah Jones' CD was released? Notice our own Jim Sangrey adding fuel to the fire. I never appreciated his attitude on this one. I stand by my statement: WE killed Blue Note... no one else but us. BTW, you can't even begin to imagine how close we came to getting the old BN board shut down over this thread!! Blue Note didn't have the manpower to watch that board and relied on us to police it ourselves. We failed. Oh yeah, for the record, the poster who once posted as "Norah Jones" on the old board? It turns out it was that Norah Jones. Later, Kevin Topic: Norah Jones Half of a note Member Member # 2881 posted April 17, 2002 01:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom, What's the deal, she's doing well ? Going to make Blue Note some money I hope. Saw the video on MTV and VH1. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 54 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged N'Awlins Member Member # 1762 posted April 17, 2002 02:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know Tom was escorting her on her European tour recently so she definately has some gigs....Caught her for a couple tunes here in New Orleans at House of Blues, well worth catching. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 128 | From: new orleans, la | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged Half of a note Member Member # 2881 posted April 17, 2002 02:12 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom, I heard she already has a boy friend ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 54 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged Tomatbluenote Member Member # 209 posted April 17, 2002 02:35 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, she do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 640 | From: | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged bigboy Member Member # 2546 posted April 17, 2002 03:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is his name be Tomatbluenote? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 75 | From: | Registered: Jan 2002 | IP: Logged Tomatbluenote Member Member # 209 posted April 17, 2002 03:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No it's not. It's Lee Alexander, bassist in her band. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 640 | From: | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged ariceffron Member Member # 701 posted April 17, 2002 04:38 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah singers always screw the band. My grandpa told me that his big band (Lee Konitz was on alto)had this chick singer that latter married Boyd Rayburn, and after gigs the band would gangbang her. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1440 | From: From San Diego, CA; Stuck in Tacoma, WA | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged William Kenlon Member Member # 2532 posted April 17, 2002 05:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for that, er, lovely anecdote. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 94 | From: Viriginia, USA | Registered: Jan 2002 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted April 17, 2002 05:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What band did your grandfather play in Aric? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 5773 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Paul Christie Member Member # 163 posted April 17, 2002 05:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gee, thanks for that Aric. If I were Nora and her boyfriend, I would be pretty offended by your stupid statement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 513 | From: Adelaide, SA, Australia | Registered: Aug 99 | IP: Logged mobtenob Junior Member Member # 2942 posted April 17, 2002 09:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you were Nora and her boyfriend, you'd be a biological marvel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 7 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged Half of a note Member Member # 2881 posted April 18, 2002 05:34 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New topic: Who the hell is ariceffron ? Is he a put on ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 54 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged MilesDavis Member Member # 575 posted April 18, 2002 07:09 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Half of a note: New topic: Who the hell is ariceffron ? Is he a put on ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, he's a certified idiot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 773 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged Half of a note Member Member # 2881 posted April 18, 2002 08:38 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, I can't believe a guy that dumb could possible like Jazz ? I figured he would be in to Metal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 54 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged ariceffron Member Member # 701 posted April 18, 2002 04:27 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- whats so dumb about it. I know it makes you and I uncomfortable but a lot of people in this world are totally down w/ group sex. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1440 | From: From San Diego, CA; Stuck in Tacoma, WA | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged catesta Member Member # 2372 posted April 18, 2002 04:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by JSngry: What band did your grandfather play in Aric? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the answer is ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 613 | From: Phoenix,Arizona | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged Bill S Member Member # 2808 posted April 18, 2002 04:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aric, I think old gramps was pulling your, uh, leg... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 52 | From: Stamford, CT | Registered: Feb 2002 | IP: Logged Out2Lunch Member Member # 1071 posted April 18, 2002 04:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, the middle one! -------------------- -Tod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1071 | From: | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted April 18, 2002 04:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm thinking it might have been Claude Thornhill, and the singer Fran Warren. If that's the case, and Grampa was telling the truth, it only reinforces the feeling that I often have that I was born about 25 years too late. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 5773 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted April 18, 2002 05:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what I mean? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 5773 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged catesta Member Member # 2372 posted April 18, 2002 05:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes I do !!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 613 | From: Phoenix,Arizona | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged mobtenob Junior Member Member # 2942 posted April 18, 2002 05:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, point(s) well taken. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 7 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged Paul Christie Member Member # 163 posted April 18, 2002 05:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good point Mobtenob (LOL) - at least I can fix my grammar. Aric is beyond repair. Anyway, I doubt that a "gangbang" qualifies as group sex. The very implication of it in relation to Ms jones is really off, and in fact ought to be removed from this board. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 513 | From: Adelaide, SA, Australia | Registered: Aug 99 | IP: Logged bigboy Member Member # 2546 posted April 18, 2002 06:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This has really fallen into really, really bad taste with Aric's comment. If I was Blue Note, I would be really, really embarassed on the off-chance Norah Jones might see this kind of talk about her on her own label's website. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 75 | From: | Registered: Jan 2002 | IP: Logged bertrand Member Member # 230 posted April 18, 2002 06:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wasn't even really sure it was in good taste to post the name of her main squeeze. -------------------- Bertrand. uberall@wizard.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1307 | From: Bethesda, MD | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged Big Wheel Member Member # 510 posted April 18, 2002 07:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aric, you are one lucky guy. My grandfather won't regale me with any stories once the action gets past a four-way. I tried to get him to go into detail once and all I got was a "Son, that's between me, your grandmother, and the bowling team..." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 558 | From: Cambridge, MA, USA | Registered: Nov 1999 | IP: Logged Alexander Member Member # 449 posted April 18, 2002 11:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bigboy: If I was Blue Note... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you were Blue Note, you'd be a... Never mind. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 935 | From: Albany, NY USA | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged ariceffron Member Member # 701 posted April 19, 2002 01:22 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First off, I heard Norah Jones sing on and I remember Charlie Hunter was on guitar (it might of been his cd) and it was beautiful. It was absoutely splendid. It was my Grandpa's band. His own band. It was in Chicago in the '40s. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1440 | From: From San Diego, CA; Stuck in Tacoma, WA | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted April 19, 2002 02:41 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOUND!!! (I think...) Ginny Powell (aka Mrs. Boyd Raeburn) Say no more...... [ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: JSngry ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 5773 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Kevin Bresnahan Member Member # 132 posted April 19, 2002 06:16 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aric, are you learning anything at that school?? Why on earth would you think a post about gang-banging female Jazz singers would be a good thing to bring up on a thread about Norah Jones... especially in the "Questions for Tomatbluenote" forum?!? You really aren't the brightest bulb in the lamp, are you? Tom doesn't come here very often so they'll probably be a lot more posts in this thread by the time he gets here, but I would be very surprised if he allows your nutty post to stay in this thread. Aric, have you forgotten that someone claiming to be Norah Jones came here and posted?? It probably was her. I doubt she'd come back ever if she saw this stuff. Women have enough problems on the Jazz world without implying that the only way they can make it is to gang-bang the band... oh, wait a minute... you probably don't realize that you were implying that. Later, Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1882 | From: New Hampshire | Registered: Mar 99 | IP: Logged soulstation1 Member Member # 1047 posted April 19, 2002 09:16 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "i thought it meant funkin' A" -------------------- ザ・ジゴロ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1504 | From: tucson,az | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Half of a note Member Member # 2881 posted April 19, 2002 10:08 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Somebody should start a new post: Aric's an idiot !!!!! Of course he would be the first one to respond. Aric isn't there a sex line you could go on instead ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 54 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged MilesDavis Member Member # 575 posted April 19, 2002 10:46 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ariceffron: whats so dumb about it. I know it makes you and I uncomfortable but a lot of people in this world are totally down w/ group sex. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very true, maybe you should start a "DEVIANT SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR CORNER" where you can talk about group sex, incest, molestation, festishes, and other things. But seriously, have you heard of thinking before you speak? Very simple and here's the great part: it stop you from getting into trouble like this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 773 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged chris olivarez Member Member # 2299 posted April 19, 2002 12:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Something not XXX.Norah Jones makes an apperance on the Dirty Dozen Brass Band cd. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 150 | From: pagosa springs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged ariceffron Member Member # 701 posted April 19, 2002 12:29 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hmmm is that the chick?? It was his wife i remember... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1440 | From: From San Diego, CA; Stuck in Tacoma, WA | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted April 19, 2002 02:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny Powell was married to Boyd Raeburn and sang with the band during the years of it's highest profile. The photo on the CD cover certainly looks like a leader & a female vocalist, so that very well could be Mrs. Raeburn. I'm not sure though. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 5773 | From: Tx, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Chuck Nessa Member Member # 422 posted April 19, 2002 04:45 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aric, are you claiming Gay Claridge as a relative? I he's not the guy, who? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1302 | From: Whitehall, MI | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged Dmitry Member Member # 66 posted April 19, 2002 05:09 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim, I hope Aric apppreciates the time and effort you put in to track down the woman his grandpa possibly gang banged 60 years ago. I wonder if she had any kids. With stories like this one you are a shoe-in to secure a yearly Thanksgiving Dinner spot at the Raeburns. [ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Dmitry ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1599 | From: New York | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged ariceffron Member Member # 701 posted April 19, 2002 07:50 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and was the video really on MTV?? Since when do they play JAZZ videos on MTV (minus the one time I saw Wayne Shorter play w/ Santana) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1440 | From: From San Diego, CA; Stuck in Tacoma, WA | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged Out2Lunch Member Member # 1071 posted April 19, 2002 08:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I Think she did a cameo on "The Osbournes" -------------------- -Tod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1071 | From: | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Alexander Member Member # 449 posted April 20, 2002 10:29 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ariceffron: and was the video really on MTV?? Since when do they play JAZZ videos on MTV (minus the one time I saw Wayne Shorter play w/ Santana) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You're not likely to see any JAZZ videos on MTV. Norah's very talented, but she isn't jazz. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 935 | From: Albany, NY USA | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged Joe M Member Member # 1703 posted April 20, 2002 10:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Alexander: You're not likely to see any JAZZ videos on MTV. Norah's very talented, but she isn't jazz. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well if Norah "is" jazz ... Thanks for weighing in with the verdict Alexander. Granted, it would be pretty hard to argue that some of Norah's material is jazz. However, just because some (or even most) of it isn't jazz, doesn't mean it all isn't jazz. For example have you heard Norah's recording of "Peace"? I'd like someone to tell me why it isn't jazz. Just making a point that with a genre bending artist, such statements can be troublesome. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 140 | From: Fresno, CA | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged bigboy Member Member # 2546 posted April 20, 2002 10:27 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Half of a Note, Anytime you're ready to hit "delete," we're ready. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 75 | From: | Registered: Jan 2002 | IP: Logged Jimmy Mahler Member Member # 1914 posted April 20, 2002 11:16 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Half of a Note, I usually try to stay neutral on the ignorant and arrogant stuff but it is time to delete this thread. It's emabarrassing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 209 | From: Chicago, Illinois | Registered: Jul 2001 | IP: Logged ariceffron Member Member # 701 posted April 21, 2002 01:36 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- duh shes on blue note of course its jazz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1440 | From: From San Diego, CA; Stuck in Tacoma, WA | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged Alexander Member Member # 449 posted April 21, 2002 12:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norah is very "jazzy". She's just not a "jazz musician". Neither is Cassandra Wilson, for that matter (although she has a greater claim to the term). I like her CD, people, so stop jumping on me. I knows jazz when I hears it, though. This is "jazzy pop", much like Van Morrison and Joni Mitchell (both of whom I love). Elvis Costello gets "jazzy" at times too ("Almost Blue", "Shipbuilding", "The Poisoned Rose"), but that doesn't make him jazz. Bobby Darin was a pretty hip cat? Is "Beyond the Sea" jazz? I didn't think so. I'm one of the world's biggest Frank Sinatra fans, but I don't consider him jazz (however influenced he may have been *by* jazz). I don't get hung up over the distinction. I enjoy non-jazz AND jazz equally. I'm just saying that from an objective stand-point, Norah Jones' music isn't "jazz" per se (like Rosemary Clooney, who I also like). I'm not putting her down, I'm just stating a fact. Norah Jones doesn't play jazz. Miles Davis didn't play rock. George Clinton played funk. It's all good! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 935 | From: Albany, NY USA | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged Paul Christie Member Member # 163 posted April 22, 2002 06:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Tom, Don't you reckon it's time this particular thread was nuked? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 513 | From: Adelaide, SA, Australia | Registered: Aug 99 | IP: Logged Alexander Member Member # 449 posted April 22, 2002 09:32 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, this is driving me nuts. Is everyone advocating that this thread be deleated because Aric is an insensitive boob, or because I had the temerity to suggest that Norah Jones' music isn't jazz? Just tell me that, and I'll give up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 935 | From: Albany, NY USA | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged Paul Christie Member Member # 163 posted April 23, 2002 05:47 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cool it Alexander... it doesn't seem like everyone is advocating removing this thread, by any means, and anyway it has nothing to do with your comments on the style of her music (which are perfectly valid comments). I suggested removal of the thread because of the inappropraite comments made by Affron - it seems incredible to me that Blue Note would permit one of their current big ticket artists, Ms Jones, to have her reputation even slightly tarnished by having it linked with adolescent statements re female artists getting it off with their band members, gang-banging and so on. At the very least, the unsavoury posts should be removed. I also feel a bit uncomforatble about naming her boyfriend, unless that was her wish. OK, so she dates her bass player - that's nice for her, and I wish her happiness - but I don't see why Blue Note should tolerate low-grade smutty speculation about her private life on this board. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 513 | From: Adelaide, SA, Australia | Registered: Aug 99 | IP: Logged chris olivarez Member Member # 2299 posted April 23, 2002 09:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul-I'll second that this whole thread is pretty much a load of rubbish.I know -"why am I posting here?". If this gets deleted along with everything else on this thread that's alright with me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 150 | From: pagosa springs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged

I wouldn't count that against Greg! The moderators at Steve Hoffman's board are assholes... strike that... they're more like 12 year olds. If you don't post with the attitude that "STEVE IS GOD!!!!!", then you will definitley be kicked out eventually. I have lurked there for years, mostly to get some advance info on Hoffman's works in progress but it's hard to stomach some of the fawning over "STEVE" (just scream it like a 12 year old girl at an N'Sync concert and it will come out right). The sad thing is, Steve seems to agree that this mentality is a great thing. He's like the king of an asylum of patients who all worship his shoes. I bet if he made them all Kool Aid laced with... Later, Kevin

Claude, I don't think you'll have any problem getting what you wish for. I was told that Sony's "SACD grant" to OJC was in the form of a free loan of a DSD remastering station. They'll be able to crank out as many SACDs as they want. BTW, the person who told me this is trying to get Sony to do the same for Blue Note/Mosaic. In fact, he was supposed to be meeting with some Sony reps this month. I think he'll push for at least one Mosaic set as in SACD hyrbid. We can only hope. Later, Kevin

Blind listening test? Check out this thread: Blind SACD/CD Comparison. Note: Jazz Inmate is Greg! Kevin

None of the brick & mortar stores near me have these. It really sucks that I have to special order them to get them... I really wonder if these high rez formats are going anywhere if they can't even get them into one store around here. Of course, I've got to get the Cannonball title. Later, Kevin

Regardless of how I feel about the way Blue Note handled the closing of their US forum, Blue Note is still my favorite record label. I see no reason to stay away from the european version of the board any more than I would stay away from a US version, if they chose to resurrect it. I don't understand Jim's attitude one bit. As one of the more vocal contributor's to that old board, his emotional investment was higher than many. However, nothing was done to him that should cause such a reversal. After all, this place is pretty much the defacto "Blue Note Bulletin Board" and the people here are what made that place. Saying "Fuck Blue Note" when using it in the context of the old board, is, in essence saying "Fuck You" to all of us former members. I remember the good in that place. I would think Jim does too. One more thing, you can bitch about it all you want but the simple fact is that WE KILLED THE BLUE NOTE BOARD. Not Tom, not Blue Note, not any faceless moderator... we did it. By allowing that place to become a board that Blue Note couldn't support, we caused it's closure. Look in the mirror before slinging the mud at Blue Note. If people had cut the crap that was going on there prior to the shutdown, we'd all still be there. Later, Kevin

I'll be curious to see how the BN/Europe site handles my post. Kevin

I believe I'm reading you correctly and my take on it is that you were lucky that you were to copy those Sony discs in the first place. All audio burners use Serial Copy Management System (SCMS). Any CD-R you burn on your standalone audio deck is supposed to set a bunch of bits that will prevent future dubs off that disc. Try setting the deck for "analog record" mode and see if it works. In analog mode, SCMS is not checked. Kevin

Damn you Lon... you're costing me money! Later, Kevin

In my job, I have 4 direct reports and "manager" is nowhere in my title. VP is three levels up from me. It's not a figurehead here. It's an important staff position that I hope someday I get to. Of course, there are several VP's on the president's staff. Does that make it less important? As for Tom, When they were in their downtown offices, Tom's office was diagonal from Bruce Lundval, who had the proverbial "corner office with a view". However, if "size" means anything, Tom's office was as big as Bruce's and I tell you, it was friggin' packed with stuff. For all I know, he might have had a "fluff title" but I tell you, he had a lot of stuff going on around him and he has a large staff so he's at a minimum "Manager". It don't mean a thing to me. You mileage may vary, Kevin

He was Vice President even back then. In fact, he was VP of both the Jazz & Classical groups. Even though some people here seem to think otherwise, he really did like dropping by the board and talking with us. In my eyes, his "lofty" title just emphasized how much he liked it. I wish more VP's would go on their company's web chat boards to talk with their customers. So many here seem to judge the guy on his actions during the board going down, all the while forgetting how shitty that place was near the end. I tell you, if the crap that was going on there was going on here still, this place would suck too.