Dmitry Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 I've had this cd for a few years, haven't played it in a while, well, it's playing right now, looks like a boot, sounds mediocre, but the music is first-rate. Cover art, production and everything else by Ron Warwell. In the liner blurb Warwell writes that he first saw Trane & Dolphy at the Blue Cornet[sic] [should be CorOnet, I think], and that's about it. I assume the recording was done at that venue in 1961-2 or so. Does anyone know where and when this music was recorded? AMG page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 judging from the titles & playing times listed on AMG it's the Hamburg November 1961 live material. It is included in the Pablo European Tours box, sound is crappy but okay, nothing topnotch, but it doesn't detract from the playing very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 That appears to be a correct identification of the music. But it was actually recorded in Birdland in February, 1962. The European Tours box gives incorrect information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 One never ceases to learn, although I do remember reading that not all info on that box was correct. Do you have more precise info on the date? And more broadly: where are the identity mistakes on the Pablo box and what's the correct info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 http://home.att.net/~dawild/livetrane_details.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dmitry Posted May 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Right on, indeed. Thank you. I'll pull out out the cd from the Coltrane European box and let y'all know how the sound quality compares to this cd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 In the liner blurb Warwell writes that he first saw Trane & Dolphy at the Blue Cornet[sic] [should be CorOnet, I think] This got me curious, even though it may be trivial. I think you're right that the club was called "The Blue CorOnet", but it would make more sense to me if a jazz club was called "The Blue Cornet", since a "cornet" is a brass instrument, and a "coronet" is a crown worn by a princess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I knew the owner of Black Label and wrote a couple of liner notes for his releases. He never did manage to include any documentation about the dates and venues of the music and this was before I had access to the web or Tom Lord's Jazz Discography. I'll have to check my Coltrane discography and my latest Lord CD-Rom at home to provide a definitive answer for the date and location of the Coltrane/Dolphy Black Label CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 The club mentioned in Brooklyn was most definitely called the 'Blue Coronet'. I believe it was up and running from the mid-60s through to the mid-70s. Of course, it's particular connection with Jackie McLean and the band with Grachan Moncur (where they rehearsed much of the material for 'One Step Beyond') is well known. An incredible lineup of players graced the Blue Coronet during that period (Miles, Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard etc etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 The tracks in question are supposed to be from Birdland, February 9, 1962. On several CD releases (including Charly) there is also a fourth track, Body And Soul, which is from a later Birdland date, June 2, 1962, and without Dolphy. It's odd that Fantasy did such a sloppy discographical job for the Live Trane box. Click here for David Wild's reply to the Fantasy spokesperson which makes an interesting read, and also addresses these Birdland (not Hamburg!) recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 A pity this date couldn't have been recorded better... I've had this CD for a number of years, and the sound is appalling. Fidelity concerns notwithstanding, this album has some of the finest JC Quartet playing I've heard--and Dolphy is, well, Dolphy (always welcome). It's doubly regrettable that the Dolphy/Trane partnership never got its proper due (recording-wise, canonically), especially considering the sheer quality of these performances. The two horns sustain an inhuman degree of energy, catalyzed, propelled by a superlative rhythm section. Dolphy's alto, in particular, is just diabolical--he's Coltrane's ebullient, luminescent foil, weightless and bright where his doppelganger is heavy and brooding. The spirit is infectious. Listen to the flute entrance on "My Favorite Things"--such passion, joie de vivre. This is definitely one of those dates where the music transcends the "listening experience." Sorry, had to gush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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