7/4 Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I think the quote makes perfect sense even if taken completely out of its original context/discussion, and I happen to totally agree with it. I asked for the context because it might illuminate the quote a bit more. Nothing wrong with that. Wasn't Wynton and the "Young Lions" the next big thing in Jazz after Metheny? (I don't know and don't remember.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Brecker and Metheny worked together in the touring band for Joni Mitchell in 1979. Mike Forgot about that one...should know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I think the quote makes perfect sense even if taken completely out of its original context/discussion, and I happen to totally agree with it. I asked for the context because it might illuminate the quote a bit more. Nothing wrong with that. And where and when did he say it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Don't forget that Metheny covered "Giant Steps" on his "Trio Live" CD, so I doubt his quote should be interpreted as a personal rejection of Jazz history, nor a rejection of its major practitioners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 It's scary that a sentence or two, anyone's, can get taken from it's context and presented as a topical "quote" conveying broad meaning or intent. Scary and ridiculous. This thread should be history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) "It's scary . . . , cary and ridiculous[,] [t]his . . . history." So, you think history is scary and ridiculous??? Edited January 17, 2005 by Ron S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 "It's scary . . . , cary and ridiculous[,] [t]his . . . history." So, you think history is scary and ridiculous??? For the record, I agree and disagree with that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJ Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) AmirBagachelles Posted: Jan 16 2005, 07:26 PM It's scary that a sentence or two, anyone's, can get taken from it's context and presented as a topical "quote" conveying broad meaning or intent. Scary and ridiculous. This thread should be history. Hmmm...so let's get this right. You have a public figure, a musician and entertainer - Metheny - giving a quote to a reporter or writer of some kind, who has asked him about something and whom Metheny I assume knows is going to disseminate said statement in an article or press release or the like. Thus I would also assume that he gave some thought to his statement, at least a passing one or two, knowing that it will be recorded for posterity. Sounds to me like this qualifies as a (ahem) "topical 'quote' conveying broad meaning or intent," one worthy of (mostly) thoughtful discussion as pursued here. Or do we go with your implied logic, and conclude that Metheny was just flapping his gums, making shit up, saying things without reflection and hoping that nobody would hear him babbling and put it down in writing? Talk about scary and ridiculous... Edited January 17, 2005 by DrJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 DrJ: "posterity", "public figure". I read a strong reaction to mild words taken out of their presentation context, and possible their context of meaning. There is no upside to speaking with the press, when the press acts irresponsibly. Out of context presentation is irresponsible and on the Internet, we are often the press. It is a slippery slope to tabloid journalism (and bulletin boards) to draw weighty conclusions from a few sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonm Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I never did "get" Metheny's playing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJ Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) Amir if I can respectfully but firmly continue to disagree with you: seems to me that the strong reactions (agreeing and disagreeing) with Metheny are more about the people having the reactions than Pat. I think this should be obvious to anyone...for example, speaking for myself, I was using his quote as a springboard for discussion of my own impression (not attributing my ideas to Metheny), as were others. I honestly do not get what your issue is with this, you're in fact the one who is overreacting in my view. It seems you are arguing that the use of quotes made by celebs/artists/politicians/whatever as a launching pad for discussion - something that has been done since the beginning of time, and when it does the quotes are nearly ALWAYS taken far from their original context as the years go by - is to be abandoned. I'm not buying it. Edited January 17, 2005 by DrJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 No, I don't believe there was any mention of Pat Metheny, probably the most popular jazz guitarist in the world (among other things). But then again, where any guitarists mentioned in that series? He probably didn't get permission from Wynton and Stanley Crouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hasn't Metheny also worked with Ornette Coleman and Charlie Haden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 If I were in their postition, and being myself, I wouldn't give him permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hasn't Metheny also worked with Ornette Coleman and Charlie Haden? He's worked with Haden on-and-off for the last 25 years and he's perhaps the biggest proponent of Ornette's music out there today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 If I were in their postition, and being myself, I wouldn't give him permission. And thus, my original assumption as to the ulterior motive behind this thread is confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 It would seem to be that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I never did "get" Metheny's playing! I love Metheney's playing; I don't "get" this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 If I were in their postition, and being myself, I wouldn't give him permission. And thus, my original assumption as to the ulterior motive behind this thread is confirmed. Oh, I'm not aloud to not like someone? Probaly. I guess the Norah Jones thread is evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Can someone tell me what happened to the Grant Green, I Wanna Hold Your Hand, thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 It was moved to the "Re-issues" forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Thank you. Was wonderin' how the album sounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 If I were in their postition, and being myself, I wouldn't give him permission. And thus, my original assumption as to the ulterior motive behind this thread is confirmed. Oh, I'm not aloud to not like someone? Probaly. I guess the Norah Jones thread is evidence. No, that's not what I was getting at. Nevermind. By the way, use the "Today's Active Topics" button at the bottom of the page to see all the current topics. It will help you find threads that get moved and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Thank you b-3 er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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