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Larry Young - "Into Somethin' "

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sidewinder Mentor

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But seriously.......it does say "New York USA", but I don't see that "ear" that you are talking about. And although it's probably not "mint" it's in VERY nice shape - both cover and vinyl.

Could be a Liberty-era pressing of this one

Guy Berger Collaborator

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Sam's a really nice guy. I saw him with Jason Moran 2 or 3 years ago and went up to have autograph one of the Mosaic CDs. He seemed pretty psyched when I told him I really liked the music.

Guy

AfricaBrass Newbie

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Sam's a really nice guy. I saw him with Jason Moran 2 or 3 years ago and went up to have autograph one of the Mosaic CDs. He seemed pretty psyched when I told him I really liked the music.

Guy

That's really cool!

I wonder if he has any idea how many people really DIG him? I'd rather meet Sam Rivers than any top actor or politician. I guess that's weird, but musicians are my heroes.

sidewinder Mentor

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Sam is a lovely character. He was kindness personified when I had chance to chat with him several months ago and he signed all of the BN LPs that I brought along that night in a very fine script. I just wish that I had got my act together to ask him some more questions e.g. the background to the Dameron BN session and what it was like in Miles' Band but, of course, words always fail at such moments.

sidewinder Mentor

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It was interesting watching him pack up his horns after the gig. Some musicians would just chuck the whole lot in the cases pronto and rush out. He really took his time - meticulously dismantling the kit and checking it all out. Incredible !

BFrank Experienced

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But seriously.......it does say "New York USA", but I don't see that "ear" that you are talking about. And although it's probably not "mint" it's in VERY nice shape - both cover and vinyl.

Could be a Liberty-era pressing of this one

The Blue Note labelography site says that Liberty-era disks had "BLUE NOTE RECORDS · A DIVISION OF LIBERTY RECORDS, INC" printed on the label. (not "NEW YORK USA")

Mark J Newbie

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I played this CD recently - even better than I remember it. A great balance of groove and free, light on the free which is how I like it. I don't 'get' Larry Young after Unity, but this album is still a favorite. :tup

sidewinder Mentor

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But seriously.......it does say "New York USA", but I don't see that "ear" that you are talking about. And although it's probably not "mint" it's in VERY nice shape - both cover and vinyl.

Could be a Liberty-era pressing of this one

The Blue Note labelography site says that Liberty-era disks had "BLUE NOTE RECORDS · A DIVISION OF LIBERTY RECORDS, INC" printed on the label. (not "NEW YORK USA")

No. There are some LPs pressed in the 'Liberty' era (ie. just after Alfred Lion sold up) which still have the 'NY USA' labels.

BFrank Experienced

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But seriously.......it does say "New York USA", but I don't see that "ear" that you are talking about. And although it's probably not "mint" it's in VERY nice shape - both cover and vinyl.

Could be a Liberty-era pressing of this one

The Blue Note labelography site says that Liberty-era disks had "BLUE NOTE RECORDS · A DIVISION OF LIBERTY RECORDS, INC" printed on the label. (not "NEW YORK USA")

No. There are some LPs pressed in the 'Liberty' era (ie. just after Alfred Lion sold up) which still have the 'NY USA' labels.

Hmmmmmm......interesting.

Stereojack Rookie

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No. There are some LPs pressed in the 'Liberty' era (ie. just after Alfred Lion sold up) which still have the 'NY USA' labels.

This is true - I have seen a few. I believe that when Lion & Wolff sold the label, they may have turned over whatever label stock they had, and it was used up on the next releases. Liberty pressings with New York USA labels are rare, but they do exist. I have seen certain collectors refer to these as "originals", but I suspect that they were pressed concurrently with the more common Liberty pressings.

Jazz Kat Newbie

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IMO superior to Unity, which I heard from some doesnt seem to be the case with many people. I thought Elvin was much more looser on that date. Elvin played great on Unity, but he felt a little jumpy. His playing wasn't as jumpy on Into Somethin', meaning, no rock solid.

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sidewinder Mentor

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I'm tempted to say 'yes', BFrank, but I'm not so sure. The reason for this is that yesterday I was playing my NY USA stereo of 'Unity'. This copy has the heavy Plastilite familiar from 'ear' LPs, has the NY USA labels and the typical NY sleeve. No mention of Liberty anywhere. Inner liner mentions '1966' above the LP pictures so that pretty well nails it as 'original' or thereabouts. The sound quality of this mint LP is magnificent - commensurate with an early pressing so I would say that this one is probably 'original'.

In contrast, I have probably half a dozen Blue Notes with NY USA labels, again of the 1966/67 vintage but with mention of 'Liberty Records' on the front cover. Lee Morgan 'Cornbread' is a good example of this. They also sometimes have serated rims on the LP - again this is something I associate with Liberty LPs.

wolff Newbie

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So, is the consensus that if it doesn't have the "ear", then it's not "original"?

I had the list of originals without the 'ear'(mark of the pressing plant used before Liberty took over), but it was lost in a computer problem. I may have posted it in the vinyl forum a while ago. I know I e-mailed it to a few members.

Keep an on eBay to see if any listings mention having the ear.

Degiorgio Newbie

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I've had a couple of BN vinyl albums with the New York address label on one side and the Liberty label on the other.. they are all from just after Liberty took over so yes, they obviously used up any surplus labels before making their own.

The Blue Note labelography reckons they are quite uncommon:

"This mixing of labels, however, is not common, and these records are rare. Though oddities, they should command higher prices than the same record with identical labels on both sides."

(Labelography: http://ronpenndorf.com/labelography.html)

KD

Guy Berger Collaborator

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I think Sam holds back a bit too.  But then what kind of session would it have been if he had really gone for broke??  :o  :P

I'll have to give this one a spin again soon.  My guess is that by keeping things a little more "inside", Sam probably helped the date gel better (maybe even a lot better) - given the more straight-ahead nature of the date (what with Grant Green on board).

Tom,

I went back and listened to this today and I think you're right -- Sam holds back just the right amount or close to it. He's more aggressive than I remembered.

It's a shame BN didn't have a more "progressive" guitarist on their roster at the time so they could follow upthis album with a feister Sam-Larry-Elvin/Tony-guitarist album.

Guy

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Jazz Kat Newbie

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This has been my favorite Larry Young album for some time. Nice to see someone else out there likes it too.

It's a classic. I'm sure you'll find many out there, who love it. If they don't, they just no like jazz. ;)

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