Jazz Kat Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Probaly. Did he not even have his bass drum there at all? Or did he just not play it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Didn't have it due to his situation at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 OOO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibes Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Love that shirt, vibes. Where from? I'm guessing the jazz store cataloge?? Ropeadope Lots of cool t-shirts. In addition to the "Freedom" shirt, my wife bought me the "Unity" and "Where is Brooklyn?" shirts for my birthday last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 I've seen the Unity shirt and Art Blakey, Industructable shirt. They are awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 i kind of agree that when i see billy higgins on a BN album it makes me sort of think to myself "oh, some rote BN hard bop". i mean in other contexts i like him and i like him on some BN stuff-including this AOW. i never love his work as i do that of other drummers. but as the sixties rolled on, i find his contributions do not draw me in as elvin jones or tony williams or even joe chambers (or ed blackwell or tootie heath or billy hart for that matter) might draw me in and get me to check out an album just to hear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 The only drummer that really made me ever buy an album because of that drummer being present was Philly Joe. I have about 15 albums with him that I bought, all in a row, starting with Cool Struttin. It was the summer, and every week on Wednesday night, it was like me and dad's time to hang out, we would always go to Borders and I got bought one album a week, with Philly on it. Those were the days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 good call. philly joe too. he would make me think about an album i haven't heard before. even something like hank mobley's "the flip". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Pity Philly Joe & Jackie Mac only recorded twice together: Jackie's Bag and another title who's name escapes me at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Pity Philly Joe & Jackie Mac only recorded twice together: Jackie's Bag and another title who's name escapes me at the moment. COOL STRUTTIN'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Perhaps. I mentioned that above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Pity Philly Joe & Jackie Mac only recorded twice together: Jackie's Bag and another title who's name escapes me at the moment. COOL STRUTTIN'? ARIC IS THAT YOU???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 I DONT THINK SO!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Pity Philly Joe & Jackie Mac only recorded twice together: Jackie's Bag and another title who's name escapes me at the moment. COOL STRUTTIN'? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Where do I hand in my jazz credentials? And HOW long have I been listening to jazz? What's the matter with me anyway? Sheesh!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 I know a guy for ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 BTW, I have just listened to samples of Let Freedom Ring and there is a snare drum. wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 First time I have read through the liner for this disc. He most certainly is a 'sugar-free' alto player , although he does play sweetly at times. I've always been a fan of McLean's sound from first hearing 4, 5 & 6. You can't think of other adjectives to describe it but the ones which are widely thrown at him; acidic, tart, bristling, acrid etc. His takes on ballads have always been listenable and far from routine, which makes a change. This album though, would have IMO, worked well as a trio date even. That is, without Jackie. Davis's solo on the first tune is wonderful and the rhythm section just burble, bubble and pop underneath. Not much 'bashing'. Not that I can hear anyway. You can't really get a crisper drummer than Higgins can you. One good choice for AOTW. Not a bad recording too. Given that a very bright RVG was recently issued of McLean's, I'm pleased that this version doesn't render his inherent 'brightness' totally atomic glare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 BTW, I have just listened to samples of Let Freedom Ring and there is a snare drum. wtf? And a sock. Sounds like he's got his whole kit. Well, judging from these samples, he does have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 I only have the original domestic issue of this, which I got via a Columbia House order. I remember that at the time I was interested in his more adventurous stuff -- this one and Destination Out were the only ones available. I'm a big fan of Jackie's more extreme playing here; in fact, when I first heard Destination Out I was very disappointed that he was toning things down. Billy Higgins is great here, as is Herbie Lewis. I'm indifferent to the piano player here, Walter whatever Jr. (can't remember whether it's Bishop or Davis). He plays pretty well (particularly on the first two tunes) but is a little too old-fashioned for the date. The last two tunes could have comfortably been tackled with a trio. "Melody for Melonae" is my favorite Jackie tune -- Mingus influenced, I think, with the sequenced sections. The version of "I'll Keep Loving You" is beautiful. And the last two tunes are cool too. "Rene" has a bit of a Monkish flavor, while "Omega" is just set up perfectly with Herbie opening the melody before Jackie jumps in. One last thing -- I really like Jackie's liner notes here. More albums should come with a mission statement. Mission accomplished! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 BTW, I have just listened to samples of Let Freedom Ring and there is a snare drum. wtf? I think it's a snare without the snare turned on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 The snare is definately on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 (edited) The snare is definately on. No, that's not a snare. It's a prototype drum machine being played by Dexter Gordon, who wasn't credited when the album was released. Miles Davis took credit for the idea in later interviews. Guy Edited April 11, 2005 by Guy Berger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 huh??????????? proto type drum machine! In the early 60's? I suppose Billy's hats are operated by Jackie McLean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Jackie's Pal is the third of the two McLean/Philly records. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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