slide_advantage_redoux Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Ever now and again I will see and sometimes purchase an LP on the old Fontana label. The jackets are always very light...like those old UK Brunswick releases. From what I always see on them, they are issued in Holland. Are they a European licensee for Columbia? What's the history of the label? I never see them listed in Goldmine, and I deduce that is because they are foreign pressed. This leads me to another point I was going to make. Why isn't there a price guide/reference book for jazz records from all countries - or is there one already and I just don't know about it? Quote
EKE BBB Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 From Wikipedia.com: Fontana Records was a record label active in the sixties, as a subsiduary of the Dutch Philips Records. When Philips restructured its music operations it dropped Fontana in favour of Vertigo Records and Mercury Records. In the seventies Polygram acquired the dormant label. Fontana was revived in the nineties and is currently an active division of Mercury Records. Quote
GA Russell Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 The game of LOVE, love, LOVE, love... Quote
sidewinder Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Fontana was issued in Holland, the UK and (I think) also in France. Some of the very best UK jazz of the 1960s (including gems from Tubby Hayes, Kenny Wheeler, Ronnie Ross and Graham Collier) appeared on this imprint. In the early 1970s both Vertigo and the 'Philips' label itself covered the jazz issues. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 This leads me to another point I was going to make. Why isn't there a price guide/reference book for jazz records from all countries - or is there one already and I just don't know about it? ← Paris Jazz Corner put out one for jazz records a few years ago, but it was based on stratospheric margins - like $100 for FMPs. Quote
brownie Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Paris Jazz Corner put out one for jazz records a few years ago, but it was based on stratospheric margins - like $100 for FMPs. ← You mean the 'Cote Europeennedu Jazz' book that came out in 2002? Written by PJC headman Arnaud Boubet. I find that one pretty accurate and obviously the people dealing with vinyls use the book as reference from what I see in secondhand shops and record conventions. Quote
sidewinder Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Paris Jazz Corner put out one for jazz records a few years ago, but it was based on stratospheric margins - like $100 for FMPs. ← You mean the 'Cote Europeennedu Jazz' book that came out in 2002? Written by PJC headman Arnaud Boubet. I find that one pretty accurate and obviously the people dealing with vinyls use the book as reference from what I see in secondhand shops and record conventions. ← Any idea as to how to get a copy of that one? Quote
brownie Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Paris Jazz Corner does not have copies of this any more, from what I remember. If I run into a secondhand copy (I have seen a couple of those), I'll PM you Quote
sidewinder Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Paris Jazz Corner does not have copies of this any more, from what I remember. If I run into a secondhand copy (I have seen a couple of those), I'll PM you ← Many thanks, Brownie ! Quote
brownie Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 Fontana was issued in Holland, the UK and (I think) also in France. Some of the very best UK jazz of the 1960s (including gems from Tubby Hayes, Kenny Wheeler, Ronnie Ross and Graham Collier) appeared on this imprint. In the early 1970s both Vertigo and the 'Philips' label itself covered the jazz issues. ← The French Fontana operation was part of the Philips conglomerate. The Miles Davis soundtrack to the film 'Ascenseur pour l'Echafaud' and the Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers soundtrack to the film 'Des Femmes Disparaissent', also for 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' originally appeared with the Fontana imprint. A number more of jazz interest albums also came out on French Fontana. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 I still think PJC record prices are insane, but you're right, sometimes it's what the market does... I have a couple of French Fontanas, one is a gatefold pressing of the Dolphy "Conversations" record, retitled "Leonard Feather Presents the Eric Dolphy Memorial Album." It looks kinda neat. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 26, 2005 Report Posted October 26, 2005 I'm not shitting you with this one, either. You know the record... McCoy Tyner "Time for Tyner" Blue Note, 1968, 33t, occasion Pressage original US Etat du disque : M, état de la pochette : VG+ 70.00 euros [84.00 US$, 9,450.00 ¥] > informations complémentaires (pochette) | ajouter à mon panier | voir mon panier | From the PJC site... Quote
spinlps Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 Amazon France has the book in stock. I just ordered a copy. I'll let you know if / when it actually arrives. Here's the link: http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2913...5558932-7712909 Quote
sidewinder Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) I'm not shitting you with this one, either. You know the record... McCoy Tyner "Time for Tyner" Blue Note, 1968, 33t, occasion Pressage original US Etat du disque : M, état de la pochette : VG+ 70.00 euros [84.00 US$, 9,450.00 ¥] > informations complémentaires (pochette) | ajouter à mon panier | voir mon panier | From the PJC site... ← I think mine cost £8 (not including 10% discount) for the same pressing.. Is it really that rare on the blue/white Liberty? Edited October 27, 2005 by sidewinder Quote
sidewinder Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 Amazon France has the book in stock. I just ordered a copy. I'll let you know if / when it actually arrives. Here's the link: http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2913...5558932-7712909 ← Many thanks ! Quote
sidewinder Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 Just ordered it from Amazon France. Looks like it went through OK. Quote
brownie Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 Some of the prices quoted from the PJC website tend to be on the expensive side but the quotes in the Cote Européenne book look pretty accurate. By the way Clifford, Ichecked the book for a couple of Brotzmann FMP vinyls. They are listed in the €21-30 range which seems OK. Quote
Tony Pusey Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 My first copy of Country Joe and the Fish, Fixin to die album came on UK Fontana! Also Sun Ra´s Heliocentric World vol 1.... Quote
JohnS Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 If I remember correctly the first UK issue of 'Kind Of Blue' was on Fontana. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 I think mine cost £8 (not including 10% discount) for the same pressing.. Is it really that rare on the blue/white Liberty? ← No, emphatically, no. That's crazy. I haven't looked at the book in some time, but I remember being surprised about a number of things. Now, very little surprises me in record pricing. Quote
sidewinder Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 If I remember correctly the first UK issue of 'Kind Of Blue' was on Fontana. ← I think most of the early Columbia Miles LPs were released on Fontana (some, such as 'Milestones' appeared on the 'Philips' imprint). It must have been around 1965-66 when CBS UK started issuing Miles' albums domestically. I suspect from the time of 'ESP' onwards. Quote
spinlps Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 Just ordered it from Amazon France. Looks like it went through OK. Has anyone actually received their order yet? Amazon.fr sent me an email stating that it was not currently available but may ship in another six weeks... translated: not going to happen. Quote
sidewinder Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 Just ordered it from Amazon France. Looks like it went through OK. Has anyone actually received their order yet? Amazon.fr sent me an email stating that it was not currently available but may ship in another six weeks... translated: not going to happen. Yes, I got the same reply from them I suspect that you are right, it will not happen. Any luck with second-hand copies, Brownie? Quote
Pete B Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 Jazz Record Center offers them on their website for $29.95 Quote
brownie Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 Any luck with second-hand copies, Brownie? Did not start a search after I saw that you would have this via Amazon.fr. Will look for it but you should know that's not the kind of book you see very often in secondhand shops -_- Quote
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