PRINCE

[sheldonm]

I just watch the online clip of Prince on SNL and from a non-musician's point of view, he rocked. The tune was good, the set design was great...I really liked the waving flames...and the dancing back-up singers are a Prince signature. My favorite is at the end when he licks his finger and wipes his bangs back in his delicate way as if it was no big deal at all. I have been a closet Prince fan since the early 80's. It is great to see him on the scene again.

I'm glad you liked the set design, flames, dancing back-up singers...and when he licked his finger and wiped his bangs. That all adds up to great music.

You're right. You see, I'm a visual artist and I've married a musician. So I am always looking at what is being played as well as listening. I do think that is very important. Music is a visual medium no matter how you slice it.

[Big Al]

I'm not sayin' Kurt was a genius like a jazz great was. That would be stupid because those two camps are comin' at the world from totally different angles. Jazz is life-affirming, life-prolonging, life-enhancing, life-appreciating.

But rock like Nirvana is speaking of the reality under the surface of courageous positive thinking. Positive thinking is the only way if you're going to make it long term, but positive thinking as presented by the media is also one of the biggest lies in our society. Negative thinking is also an serious lie manipulated for profit by untold legions.

Kurt told the truth in a way that sliced right through it all and probably de-confused hundreds of thousands who otherwise would have never got out of their own world of negativity. He almost singlehandedly destroyed two popular music genres (hair metal and pre-HIV party music). To date, 50 million legit recordings have been sold. Probably more musicians from every diverse genre, style, age, location, whatever, recognize Nirvana as having laid down some of the most real music in history. Mass emphathetic communication directly to the scariest part of the human soul is definitely one kind of musical genius.

THAT I can totally agree with.

[johnagrandy]

youtube.com took down the SNL Prince videos :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hospswwC74k

http://www.youtube.com/w/Prince---SNL-2/4/...0&search=prince

Anyone know another source ?

[johnagrandy]

Ok, I found it here:

http://www.buzznet.com/buzzwords/twins/video/

http://www.buzznet.com/video/popup/1622/

Anyone know how to rip this thing into an mp3 or similar viddy file before it's gone ?

[JSngry]

They're repeating the show next week.

[catesta]

Clem, what's your point?

[catesta]

For the record, I totally agree. (I think )

Cobain gets much more attention and credit than he deserves.

I feel the same way about Prince.

I heard two ass wipes on the radio the other day claim Prince was the most important musician of the 20th century.

Edited March 19, 2006 by catesta

[johnagrandy]

We all have our own heros. I like Kurt Cobain's music and thought it was vastly different and revolutionary at the time. Is he a rock icon? Certainly.

well, there's no arguing-- in this or the next three lifetimes-- for Grandy's speedfreak-like Hero Worship

Huh? First of all , that quote is not mine.

Second of all , I didn't even listen to ANY rock until I was 23 years old. I didn't even know how to pronounce Bob Dylan's name. I listened exclusively to jazz from the time I was about 12. I was in KK practically weekend beginning when I was 14. I don't know if I was supposed to be there but I wore a crappy suit and Todd looked the other way. My early teenage years consisted of Pops, Dizzy, Fats, Clifford, Kenny, Freddie, Woody, and Randy because I was obsessed with jazz trumpet , making an unsuccessful attempt to learn to play myself which I abandoned in college.

Third, people who haven't experienced true tragedy in life don't appreciate Nirvana because that's what Nirvana is all about -- speaking the truth about life, that life ultimately is a tragic experience. And for a young person to intensely comprehend this at the level of an adult who has experienced tragedy, perhaps multiple tragedies, and has still continued on, and to consistently and successfully communicate this truth , is an incredible burden to bear.

Whatever unwanted media attention, external commercial influences, influential interference of the experienced and crafty on the young and naiive, any manipulation, exploitation, etc. that were foisted on Kurt does not change the fact that he stayed 100% true to himself and what he believed in until his death.

And not very many people can say that. I certainly can not.

In fact, his very suicide can be related to him steadfastly following the natural pathway of his belief system which led to massively depressing extrapolated conclusions about how the world and the rest of his life would unfold.

You think I'm a Nirvana freak? Are you whacked? Have you met any real Nirvana freaks? How many suicides were there in the days immediately following the revelation that Kurt had iced himself? Dozens? Scores? I think worldwide the number approaches 100.

Kurt was revolutionary because revolutionary does not have just one definition. Kurt keenly influenced the mindset of hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of teenagers to rebel against the intense youth culture prevalent at the time where peer pressure to adopt phony exteriors and hide your inner self reigned supreme.

Who knows if that's what Kurt intended to be the outcome of his music? Personally, I doubt it. But intentions and outcome are two separate things. The outcome was revolutionary.

Edited March 21, 2006 by johnagrandy

[RDK]

Don't hurt me, but I've always prefered (by far) Pearl Jam to Nirvana.

[catesta]

Third, people who haven't experienced true tragedy in life don't appreciate Nirvana because that's what Nirvana is all about -- speaking the truth about life, that life ultimately is a tragic experience. And for a young person to intensely comprehend this at the level of an adult who has experienced tragedy, perhaps multiple tragedies, and has still continued on, and to consistently and successfully communicate this truth , is an incredible burden to bear.

Get the fuck out of here.

How the hell do you know who has or who has not experienced true tragedy in life, and what the fuck does appreciating or liking Nirvana have to do with any of that shit?

One has got nothing to do with the other my friend.

How old are you anyways?

I got news, for you a lot of what Nirvana fans back in the day considered true life tragedy were nothing more than pimples, having to clean your room, and having to ask their dad for a new skateboard.

And who the hell can't pronounce a simple name like Dylan when they are 23 and in college?

[johnagrandy]

Sounds like you need to crank up some Nirvana right now.

Hope you feel better soon.

[catesta]

Sounds like you need to crank up some Nirvana right now.

Hope you feel better soon.

No thanks, I'm not a real fan of all that cryabout life like a baby shit.

[johnagrandy]

My girl, my girl, don't lie to me

Tell me, where did you sleep last night?

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, where will you go?

I'm going where the cold wind blows

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

Her husband was a hard-working man

Just about a mile from here

His head was found in the driver's wheel

But his body never was found.

My girl, my girl, don't lie to me

Tell me, where did you sleep last night?

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, where will you go?

I'm going where the cold wind blows

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, don't lie to me

Tell me, where did you sleep last night?

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, where will you go?

I'm going where the cold wind blows

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

[Noj]

Leadbelly kicks ass.

Edited March 20, 2006 by Noj

[johnagrandy]

http://www.mondowendell.com/allanint.htm

SECONDS: What music were you listening to in those days?

GINSBERG: Symphony Sid and Bebop. In high school, I listened to Ma Rainey, Billie Holiday, Bessie Smith, a lot of Leadbelly. Leadbelly was then broadcasting live on WNYC. He did a half hour every week and I listened to him throughout high school. He was a great inspiration, particularly his version of "Black Girl" which I never heard anybody sing as beautifully. A couple weeks ago, one of my students gave me a mixed tape of Kurt Cobain and there was a version of "Black Girl" of great artistry. Great vocal control and subtlety, it's almost as good as Leadbelly's.

[Soulstation1]

Anyone pick up Prince's new cd?

Edited March 29, 2006 by Soulstation1

[Quincy]

Anyone pick up Prince's new cd?

Hey man, can't you read? This is a Curt Kobain thread!

[Alexander]

Yes, I got it. It's great. Similar to "Musicology," but not too...

[Aggie87]

Anyone pick up Prince's new cd?

I picked this one up:

...actually, picked three up, and sold two on Ebay

[JSngry]

Anyone pick up Prince's new cd?

Yep.

Agreed that it's similar to Musicology, but I slighly prefer the earlier album. The new one has a slightly less favorable inspiration/craftsmanship ratio. But make no mistake, it's still quite a good album. Prince's craftsmanship is more fun for me than most folks' inspiration. The guy's not to be taken lightly. But sometimes on the new one, it feels like he might be taking himself that way. If he's making a deliberate attempt to wipe out any residual images of himself as a "hopeless eccentric", he's gone ahead and done that by now. I just hope he brings at least a little of it back into the mix from here on out.

[johnagrandy]

Hey man, can't you read? This is a Curt Kobain thread!

This hasn't hit even the scandal rags yet, but Prince will soon be changing his name to "Kurt Cobain". It's almost a done deal. Just a few minor legal detals to take care of ... attorneys and what not.

[johnagrandy]

SLASH??!!??!

Just goes to show...all you need is a nice Les Paul, a stack of Marshalls and you're 99% of the way there.

Nah, man, that ain't true. What is true is that Slash got so loaded, so f'ed up so much of the time that he was often unlistenable live.

I doubt there are many who could play at all (or even stand up) as messed-up as he would be on stage.

But when he was relatively straight and put his mind to it ...

I can't tolerate that vibe anymore (unless someone's been seriously f'ing with me) ... but just to remember I dug out "Appetite For Destruction". Check out Slash on "Nightrain" ... he's brilliant the entire way ... but especially the final 45 secs into the fade-out ...

Almost nobody could, can, or ever will, shred the heavy stuff like that. Slash gets very serious respect from most hard rock guitarists, the big names all the way on down.

One of the best ever in his element. Still is. Skills on ample display on Velvet Revolver "Contraband" ("Slither", "Dirty Little Thing", "Do It For The Kids", "Illegal i Song"). I haven't been keepin' track since then.

Edited April 1, 2006 by johnagrandy

[GregN]

All said and done, Prince has had an amazing career and I doubt that it is even close to being over. I am very curious about his most recent stuff...

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[GregN]

O.K...I just realized Kelly Clarkson doesn't have very good songs either...so...uh....I don't know, maybe Prince should rap, get shot, lift weights, wear baggy pants with his boxers sticking out the top w/no shirt...then maybe we can market him.

Oh man, am I gonna pay the price for this one...

Miss Kelly actually has some rather clever songcrafting goin on. At least on a couple of her recent tunes.

And NO, I don't own any of her albums, but she is much better than most of the crap on the radio. I think the American Idol funk may be holding her back a bit (ironically).

[.:.impossible]

My girl, my girl, don't lie to me

Tell me, where did you sleep last night?

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, where will you go?

I'm going where the cold wind blows

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

Her husband was a hard-working man

Just about a mile from here

His head was found in the driver's wheel

But his body never was found.

My girl, my girl, don't lie to me

Tell me, where did you sleep last night?

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, where will you go?

I'm going where the cold wind blows

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, don't lie to me

Tell me, where did you sleep last night?

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

My girl, my girl, where will you go?

I'm going where the cold wind blows

In the pines, in the pines, where the sun don't ever shine

I would shiver the whole night through.

You do realize that you picked non-Cobain lyrics, no? Can you pronounce Leadbelly? Seriously, even the Grateful Dead was covering this in their early years.

edit: I see Noj picked up on this already...

Edited April 4, 2006 by .:.impossible