VINYL RECOMMENDATIONS

[jazzhound]

have come across some stuff that is just too good to keep quiet about.

ART BLAKEY AND THE JAZZ MESSENGERS AT THE RENNAISANCE CLUB. King Records

cuts previously released on LIVE MESSENGERS 2fer stateside which I never listened to. Now I know why. the sound sucks. this Japanese release sets the music free and it is awesome! amazing what a difference a pressing can make.

JACK JOHNSON early promo pressing. 1a stamper... refried digital via Sony NOT!!!!! you can feel the funk. incredible.

VILLAGE VANGUARD SESSIONS - BILL EVANS - Fantasy two fer. The cuts from Sunday at the VV that feature LaFaro make me wonder if LaFaro was an even stronger voice that Evans. Mastering jobs works great on my mid - fi system. Quieter pressing that original.

SOMEDAY MY PRINCE WILL COME - MFSL - just sounds more involving then the original on my system. Must be the low noise pressing. Now I can dig it.

CHAMBERS MUSIC - Score or Jazz West - again the Blue Note two-fer really awful. Earlier pressings reveal Paul Chambers at his relaxed best. I am a believer now! (Imperial pressing supposed to be good also.)

BOOKER LITTLE - Time records stereo - Lafaro on this also I think. All over Ebay lately. A gem.

LOVE SUPREME - mono original - somehow the mono connects much better than the stereo.

LOVE SUPREME LIVE- unedited on some French label. same as what is on the special cd edition. didn't know this existed on vinyl.

Edited February 24, 2006 by jazzhound

[JSngry]

Ingo. Came out around 1975, IIRC.

[brownie]

The bootleg Ingo vinyl (from Italy) was from an incomplete tape of the Love Supreme radio broadcast.

The vinyl edition that Jazzhound is refering to has to be the French Esoldun release from the INA (Institut National de l'Audiovisuel) which owns the original radio tape but was sued when INA released it on vinyl and CD on the Esoldun label. When INA lost the case, the label died.

Edited February 24, 2006 by brownie

[clifford_thornton]

That's interesting, didn't know about the death of Esoldun-INA. I've seen those records around, though not the Coltrane ALS.

As per the original post, Impulse monos sound phenomenal. I think it's a greater difference than with Blue Notes, though I could be mis-hearing.

[Chuck Nessa]

As per the original post, Impulse monos sound phenomenal. I think it's a greater difference than with Blue Notes, though I could be mis-hearing.

All Impulse monos from Van Gelder's studio are "fold downs" from the stereo tape (just as BNs of that era were) so I'd say you be "mis-hearing".

[clifford_thornton]

Really? Huh. I picture fold-downs as something occuring later than '62-'64. Guess not.

Want to elaborate, Chuck?

[patricia]

='Chuck Nessa'

All Impulse monos from Van Gelder's studio are "fold downs" from the stereo tape (just as BNs of that era were) so I'd say you be "mis-hearing".

Chuck, could you explain to me what a fold-down is?

[to those of you who know, I won't if I don't ask.]

Edited March 21, 2006 by patricia

[Daniel A]

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...ndpost&p=477285

Fold-down ~ downmix.

[Parkertown]

Okay, but since it was 2-track stereo does that mean there was nothing in the middle...or phantom center?

Cuz if there's nothing in the center, it should fold-down well, right? I thought fold-downs of stereo tracks causes any information in the center to become too loud...i.e. vocals, bass, et al? So if there is nothing in the true center, perhaps it is an acceptable way to create mono?

Anyone? Buehler?

[Daniel A]

I'm no expert, but I would think that if the fold-down is done correctly, the individual levels of the different instruments are preserved regardless of where the instruments are in the stereo mix (left/center/right). Sort of listening to the stereo mix with a single ear.

[patricia]

=daniel

Fold-down ~ downmix.

Thank you.

[Parkertown]

Okay, but since it was 2-track stereo does that mean there was nothing in the middle...or phantom center?

Cuz if there's nothing in the center, it should fold-down well, right? I thought fold-downs of stereo tracks causes any information in the center to become too loud...i.e. vocals, bass, et al? So if there is nothing in the true center, perhaps it is an acceptable way to create mono?

Anyone? Buehler?

Bump! Surely someone know the answer...?

[jazzhound]

Okay, but since it was 2-track stereo does that mean there was nothing in the middle...or phantom center?

Cuz if there's nothing in the center, it should fold-down well, right? I thought fold-downs of stereo tracks causes any information in the center to become too loud...i.e. vocals, bass, et al? So if there is nothing in the true center, perhaps it is an acceptable way to create mono?

Anyone? Buehler?

Bump! Surely someone know the answer...?

this subject should be under the audio section where Jim Anderson could comment.

Maybe try the ask the engineer thread.

fold downs may cause a loss of certain infomation which is out of phase such as reverberation or other true stereo information on the tape. When the stereo tracks are combined the out of phase info gets cancelled out. this may cause the signals that appear in equal amounts in both stereo channels to appear louder since they will sum without any loss. any mono master done without being remixed is pretty hit and miss.