Brownian Motion Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 The New York Times Printer Friendly Format Sponsored By August 24, 2006 Astronomers Decide Pluto Is Not a Planet By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 12:20 p.m. ET PRAGUE, Czech Republic (AP) -- Leading astronomers declared Thursday that Pluto is no longer a planet under historic new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight. After a tumultuous week of clashing over the essence of the cosmos, the International Astronomical Union stripped Pluto of the planetary status it has held since its discovery in 1930. The new definition of what is -- and isn't -- a planet fills a centuries-old black hole for scientists who have labored since Copernicus without one. Although astronomers applauded after the vote, Jocelyn Bell Burnell -- a specialist in neutron stars from Northern Ireland who oversaw the proceedings -- urged those who might be ''quite disappointed'' to look on the bright side. ''It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called 'planet' under which the dwarf planets exist,'' she said, drawing laughter by waving a stuffed Pluto of Walt Disney fame beneath a real umbrella. ''Many more Plutos wait to be discovered,'' added Richard Binzel, a professor of planetary science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The decision by the prestigious international group spells out the basic tests that celestial objects will have to meet before they can be considered for admission to the elite cosmic club. For now, membership will be restricted to the eight ''classical'' planets in the solar system: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Much-maligned Pluto doesn't make the grade under the new rules for a planet: ''a celestial body that is in orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a ... nearly round shape, and has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit.'' Pluto is automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit overlaps with Neptune's. Instead, it will be reclassified in a new category of ''dwarf planets,'' similar to what long have been termed ''minor planets.'' The definition also lays out a third class of lesser objects that orbit the sun -- ''small solar system bodies,'' a term that will apply to numerous asteroids, comets and other natural satellites. Experts said there could be dozens of dwarf planets catalogued across the solar system in the next few years. NASA said Thursday that Pluto's demotion would not affect its US$700 million New Horizons spacecraft mission, which earlier this year began a 9 1/2-year journey to the oddball object to unearth more of its secrets. ''We will continue pursuing exploration of the most scientifically interesting objects in the solar system, regardless of how they are categorized,'' Paul Hertz, chief scientist for the science mission directorate, said in a statement. The decision on Pluto at a conference of 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries was a dramatic shift from just a week ago, when the group's leaders floated a proposal that would have reaffirmed Pluto's planetary status and made planets of its largest moon and two other objects. That plan proved highly unpopular, splitting astronomers into factions and triggering days of sometimes combative debate that led to Pluto's undoing. In the end, only about 300 astronomers cast ballots. Now, two of the objects that at one point were cruising toward possible full-fledged planethood will join Pluto as dwarfs: the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted, and 2003 UB313, an icy object slightly larger than Pluto whose discoverer, Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, has nicknamed Xena. Charon, the largest of Pluto's three moons, is no longer under consideration for any special designation. Brown, who watched the proceedings from Cal Tech, took Thursday's vote in stride -- even though his discovery won't be christened a planet. ''UB313 is the largest dwarf planet. That's kind of cool,'' he said. ------ AP Science Writer Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this story. ------ On the Net: International Astronomical Union, www.iau.org Home Quote
Claude Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 I know it's in the wrong forum, but: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...c=28982&hl= Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 I'll eat my earlier words. I didn't think interplanetary politics would allow this, but it did! Guy Quote
Robert J Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 Today must be the record for double-posts Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 Another victim of downsizing. Quote
7/4 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 Today must be the record for double-posts Quote
BruceH Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 I've always kind of liked the term "planetoid." Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 this is complete bullshit just the other day i read a journal article about how they are going to UPGRADE the planet list to like FIFTEEN or SIXTEEN or something like that, and how its gonna screw up the whole industry responsble for making kiddie place-mats Quote
Matthew Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) How can 2nd graders make papier-mâché of fifeteen planets, they won't fit in the car. For the kids sake, keep it nine! Edited August 24, 2006 by Matthew Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 So has Pluto always never been a planet?? or will it suddenly now always just be a former planet?? or could it become a planet again in the future?? - and if so, then how will it explain this gap in its work history?? Quote
DTMX Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 But on the plus side, this brings Holst's The Planets up to par. Newsflash: Pluto announces that it will now be known as "The Planet Formerly Known As Pluto". Quote
rostasi Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 That's what I was thinking - Holst was right! Quote
Adam Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 There already has been a "former planet" - Cereus. We all got over it. This does screw up my 2nd grade ribbon-winning model of the solar system, but c'est la vie. Quote
Randy Twizzle Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 If cooler heads had not prevailed we'd now be saying good-bye to Minerva Quote
RDK Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 It's not over yet. Maybe this thread should be moved to Politics... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5283956.stm Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 But on the plus side, this brings Holst's The Planets up to par. Newsflash: Pluto announces that it will now be known as "The Planet Formerly Known As Pluto". The PLANET FROM OUTER SPACE! Quote
Herb Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 Sorry, guys, but Pluto never was a planet, he was a dog - just ask Mickey! Quote
BruceH Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 There already has been a "former planet" - Cereus. "Ceres." Minor planet, dwarf planet, planetoid, planemo.... They're all in the mix. (Though the planemos don't really have anything to do with our system.) Quote
Free For All Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 The PLANET FROM OUTER SPACE! PLANET NINE FROM OUTER SPACE! Quote
7/4 Posted August 26, 2006 Report Posted August 26, 2006 The PLANET FROM OUTER SPACE! PLANET NINE FROM OUTER SPACE! Had to say it. Quote
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