JSngry Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 My prevailing idea of what hip rap is was the Last Poets.. Get Joe to play you some Ursula Rucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randissimo Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 My prevailing idea of what hip rap is was the Last Poets.. Get Joe to play you some Ursula Rucker. The girl from Philly? Joe actually played some of her stuff and I dug it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Yep, that's her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) It looks to me as though hip-hop is primed to join blues, jazz, soul and funk as music that was once the music of African American youth, but has largely been taken up by middle class whites (like myself). I wouldn't worry about it, though. Every time this has happened in the past, young black musicians have ushered in another musical revolution. It's probably already begun, and we just haven't heard about it yet. I really doubt it. I think that mass market-driven musical trends are about played out. You mean no more raps about how big the wheels on my fucking Escalade are? No more raps about how much of a street pimp I am? No more raps about what a gangsta I am, even if my only true crimes have been traffic violations, or punching a dude while I have six motherfuckers looking out for me? No more getting so un-creative that I'm sampling shit from last year? No more fergalicious? No more colaborations between Pharrell and...um....,well...., everybody? Say it ain't so! Edited March 3, 2007 by catesta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 You mean no more raps about how big the wheels on my fucking Escalade are? No more raps about how much of a street pimp I am? No more raps about what a gangsta I am, even if my only true crimes have been traffic violations, or punching a dude while I have six motherfuckers looking out for me? No more getting so un-creative that I'm sampling shit from last year? No more fergalicious? No more colaborations between Pharrell and...um....,well...., everybody? Say it ain't so! I hear ya' on that. Shit's largely played out and has become self-indulgent, self-referential, and not really speaking to the audience as directly and relevantly as it once did. People are starting to not care too much any more, and good for them. So, I guess it is true that rap was the new jazz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 So, I guess it is true that rap was the new jazz... MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) Nah. Rap was the new disco. It's dead, too Edited March 3, 2007 by GoodSpeak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Nah. Rap is the new disco. No - Rap was always the old Disco. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) Nah. Rap is the new disco. No - Rap was always the old Disco. MG No - House is Disco (in all its forms, good bad, and indifferent). But half (or more) of what we think of as "disco" was actually pop music in the style of disco. Real dance music is not designed to be pop music first and dance music second. Edited March 3, 2007 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Well...I'm not talking dance music. I'm talking about drone symptom music with little more value than a money maker for the record industry. It has a beat and makes people nod their heads to it, but the message is hate and sexism. I'll shed no tear at the funeral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Well...I'm not talking dance music. I'm talking about drone symptom music with little more value than a money maker for the record industry. It has a beat and makes people nod their heads to it, but the message is hate and sexism. I'll shed no tear at the funeral. Funny. Common isn't talking hate and sexism. Neither are the Roots. OutKast has had its share of "bitch" and "ho" moments (largely from Big Boi), but the fact is that Andre Benjamin's more positive message tends to balance things out. The Goodie M.O.B. stressed a pretty postive message, over all, and Cee-Lo has turned out to be one of the greatest Soul singers of his generation. Queen Latifa had a few things to say about sexism. Not every rap record is "Straight Outta Compton" (which is, indeed, a classic of its kind). Hip Hop is about as dead as jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hip Hop is about as dead as jazz. Well, if it's that far gone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randissimo Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hip Hop is about as dead as jazz. Well, if it's that far gone... I'm certainly not going to miss it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umum_cypher Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I always hear a lot of disco in Charli Persip's hi hat (Peckin Time esp). Not sure if the terms of reference here are reallly wide enough to support some of the grander prognoses. Don't want to get under some of the blanket statements either - someone like MF Doom, for instance, is the equal of most of those we talk about all day on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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