Luigi Nono

[7/4]

January 29, 1924 - May 8, 1990

wiki and discuss.

Edited November 9, 2007 by 7/4

[clifford_thornton]

This Glenlivet is doing me right, but it's making it hard to remember things.

I have the Edition RZ LP with "A Carlo Scarpa" (think it's contrabass clarinet and electronics??), very nice work. Also a little of his earlier stuff on a Time LP.

A good friend of mine is a Nono freak, though I think I've tried to turn him onto more jazz than he has with expanding my Nono vocabulary. When I return home this weekend, I'll refresh my memory on some deep pieces by this heavy composer.

[baptizum]

been tryin to find a copy of Prometeo for ages now.

what else do you recommend?

[7/4]

This Glenlivet is doing me right, but it's making it hard to remember things.

I have the Edition RZ LP with "A Carlo Scarpa" (think it's contrabass clarinet and electronics??), very nice work. Also a little of his earlier stuff on a Time LP.

A good friend of mine is a Nono freak, though I think I've tried to turn him onto more jazz than he has with expanding my Nono vocabulary. When I return home this weekend, I'll refresh my memory on some deep pieces by this heavy composer.

Let me know what it sounds like.

[T.D.]

I like what I've heard of the late material with live electronics, but my favorite piece is probably como una ola de fuerza y luz, which is really fiery and intense. I haven't heard the "late" operas like Prometeo, so can't comment there.

Oddly, I never really got into two of Nono's most famous pieces, Fragmente-stille: an Diotima for string quartet and ...Sofferte onde serene... for piano and tape, even though I'm a big quartet and solo piano enthusiast.

For composers influenced by Nono, I'd recommend Sciarrino (with some qualifications) and Lachenmann (more strongly), although both are somewhat weird...

[baptizum]

Lachenmann

which one do you recommend?

schreiben, concertini and chamber music i can all get for a nice price

[T.D.]

Lachenmann

which one do you recommend?

schreiben, concertini and chamber music i can all get for a nice price

My favorite is the Arditti disc with the quartets Reigen seliger Geister and Tanzsuite mit Deutschlandlied (the latter has devastating black humor) on Montaigne, although I fear it's OOP. Also the col legno disc with Gran Torso (quartet) and Salut für Caudwell (2 guitars), which may have been reissued on a budget label. I've only heard Mouvement...live, but that'd also be worth getting. I haven't heard the Match Girl opera, so can't comment.

From what you've mentioned, I'd try the chamber music disc if it has, say, Allegro Sostenuto and/or some solo piano music.

[baptizum]

well, schreiben sure was a snoozefest

i wont be getting that. ill check out his chamber music and if its not any better im moving on

Edited November 11, 2007 by baptizum

[T.D.]

Sorry about that...I did warn you it was weird.

Given that reaction, you might also find some of the "late Nono" music kinda slow.

[baptizum]

no worries man

any ideas about more intense avant garde music? like ascension of classical music?

sorry bout my classical noobness, but minimalism has never really done it for me

[Chuck Nessa]

Sometimes the most intense shit is really slow. It might take a while to understand this.

The most intense "classical" music I can think of is the slow movement of Schubert's 960.

[7/4]

no worries man

any ideas about more intense avant garde music? like ascension of classical music?

sorry bout my classical noobness, but minimalism has never really done it for me

Edgard Varèse, Iannis Xenakis, Horaţiu Rădulescu...

[baptizum]

i guess i mean abrasive, not necessarily intense

[7/4]

i guess i mean abrasive, not necessarily intense

Those three are both abrasive and intense.

[clifford_thornton]

Giacinto Scelsi

Vinko Globokar

Mauricio Kagel

[T.D.]

Well, for a famous short piece that's abrasive and intense, look around for a recording of Alexander Mosolov's Zavod' (Iron Foundry), composed in 1927...

More obscure, but really twisted and even terrifying is Miloslav Kabelac's bizarre Symphony #8 Antiphons for soprano, two mixed choirs, percussion ensemble and organ. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if it's available apart from an oop Praga CD (which I got as a cutout years ago...).

Edited November 12, 2007 by T.D.

[clifford_thornton]

I have some Kabelac on a Percussions de Strasbourg LP but that's it. Will have to look for that piece.

[AllenLowe]

I hear he was married for a short time to Yoko Ono, but she couldn't handle the name-change (Yoko Ono Nono) -

[7/4]

I hear he was married for a short time to Yoko Ono, but she couldn't handle the name-change (Yoko Ono Nono) -

Oh nono you don't...nice try.

[Spontooneous]

Not to mention the Nono-Ono-Eno electronic collaborations.

(But seriously, folks. I'm a big fan of "sofferte onde serene" and "como una ola de fuerza y luz," and the much earlier "Canonic Variations." Haven't been able to get into "Fragmente -- Stille an Diotima," though. Maybe it's time to try again.)

[Michael Weiss]

The restaurant of our hotel in Venice was a favorite spot of Nono.

It's kind of hard to make out but here's a photo of a score that was framed on the wall:

[Michael Weiss]

Here's another:

[AllenLowe]

well, that was before she married Sonny Bono and than, later, Bono -

Yoko Ono Nono Bono Bono -

of course, for a while she was living up here in Maine, in Orono -

so she was Yoko Ono Nono Bono Bono of Orono - drove the post office crazy -

[7/4]

Oh no!

[Chuck Nessa]

The restaurant of our hotel in Venice was a favorite spot of Nono.

It's kind of hard to make out but here's a photo of a score that was framed on the wall:

It is entirely possible many folks scored on that wall, in spite of "kind of hard to make out".

Edited November 15, 2007 by Chuck Nessa