Joe Christmas Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Ahoy. Digging through the Milestone box I just received, reading the liners, and it says that Joe's earliest recording is his sideman date on Dorham's UNA MAS. Thinking about it, that's no surprise considering everything I have of Henderson's. But prior to his army stint ('60-'62), he was coming up on the Detroit scene and had jammed fairly regularly with some big names at the time. Are there any existing recordings of any of these gigs or jams, prior to Henderson aligning himself with Blue Note? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyStitt Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I recall reading an interview with Joe once were he mentioned a jam session being recorded that included Coltrane and him. I have always been interested in hearing the recording but I think he mentioned that he didn't want it commercially released because of the quality of his performance and the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 (edited) This is one discography that jazzdiscography.com has covered. They mention a few sessions with no known recordings. They do have one "private recording" (bootleg) listed that HolyStitt refers to: Date: September 9, 1958 Location: Joe Brazil's Basement, Detroit Label: [private recording] Joe Brazil (ldr), Joe Brazil, Sylvester 'Sonny Red' Kyner (as), John Coltrane, Joe Henderson (ts), unknown (ts, t), Hugh Lawson (p), Ernie Farrow (b), Roy Brooks (d) a. Now's The Time - 19:00 (Charlie Parker) b. Woody 'n You - 08:00 (Dizzy Gillespie) c. Paul's Pal - 12:00 (Sonny Rollins) d. Sweet Georgia Brown - 11:00 (Maceo Pinkard, Kenneth Casey, Ben Bernie) Omit Joe Brazil (as) on b, d. Omit Joe Henderson (ts) on c. unknown (ts) on a only. unknown (t) on a only. Omit Hugh Lawson (p) on c. Edited February 16, 2008 by Quincy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyStitt Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Date: September 9, 1958 Location: Joe Brazil's Basement, Detroit Label: [private recording] Joe Brazil (ldr), Joe Brazil, Sylvester 'Sonny Red' Kyner (as), John Coltrane, Joe Henderson (ts), unknown (ts, t), Hugh Lawson (p), Ernie Farrow (b), Roy Brooks (d) a. Now's The Time - 19:00 (Charlie Parker) b. Woody 'n You - 08:00 (Dizzy Gillespie) c. Paul's Pal - 12:00 (Sonny Rollins) d. Sweet Georgia Brown - 11:00 (Maceo Pinkard, Kenneth Casey, Ben Bernie) Omit Joe Brazil (as) on b, d. Omit Joe Henderson (ts) on c. unknown (ts) on a only. unknown (t) on a only. Omit Hugh Lawson (p) on c. Thanks Quincy, that is the one. I think I read about it in Down Beat. As far as I can recall, he mentioned it in a context of him having recently received a copy of the recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Joe, great to see you posting here again! Re: early Joe Henderson, JamesJazz might have some more info...I think he still drops in from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 The Joe Brazil sessions exist, but in horrible condition. "Borderline unlistenable" is putting it about as politely as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Christmas Posted February 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 quincy, thanks. I'd heard about that but figured it to be one of those grail things that may or may not have ever existed. g.o.m. - cool, thanks. Let me know if you hear of anything. Not that I'd kill to hear early existing recordings, I'm more curious than anything. Henderson's case would be a rare one where his earliest captures would be readily available on a semi-major label. You'd think something earlier would have to be in circulation, underground or above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 (edited) The Joe Brazil sessions exist, but in horrible condition. "Borderline unlistenable" is putting it about as politely as possible. Let me set the scene: the group was in the living room, and the recorder was in the 2nd bedroom down the hall. And the only tape that survives is a 40th generation copy of the original. (And THAT'S putting it politely too.) On second thought, how's about we say it's "just about the worst sounding thing I've ever heard in my entire life". At least 100x worse than THE absolute worst Hendrix bootleg I've ever heard (and I've heard plenty). Edited February 17, 2008 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Not early Joe, but I've just been listening to "Vis-A-Vis" from Black is the Color. One of Henderson's finest studio tracks. Also, "Caribbean Fire Dance" from the Lighthouse gig. The poop for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 yea jsngry werent u telling me this is like the crappiest sounding bootleg in the histroy of crappy bootlegs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyStitt Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 For years I thought I was missing out on something great but you guys have hipped me to the fact I should be thankful I haven't heard it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Been meaning to ask: Does anyone here have a scan of the cover art to Joe's If You're Not Part Of The Solution, You're Part Of The Problem? I've scanned the internet without luck and have always wondered what this one looked like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 (edited) Been meaning to ask: Does anyone here have a scan of the cover art to Joe's If You're Not Part Of The Solution, You're Part Of The Problem? I've scanned the internet without luck and have always wondered what this one looked like. I've never seen one myself, but this appears to the the original cover on the left (sorry about the crappy size, which is only a little better if you click on the image)... ...contrasted with the similar (but not quite the same) cover of the recent reissue... Edited February 17, 2008 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Ah, thanks. So I've had it pretty much all along with the CD of the Lighthouse recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 yea jsngry werent u telling me this is like the crappiest sounding bootleg in the histroy of crappy bootlegs? Pretty much, although there's a thing of Bird playing w/Dizzy's big band that might be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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