JSngry Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9atfIUCHic This "BeautyIsArareThing " cat is putting some pretty interesting stuff out there... Quote
medjuck Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) I saw Loyd with Motian and Jarrett. Can't remember exactly when but it was at Convocation Hall at the University of Toronto. At one point Jarrett played soprano sax and Motian began beating on the floor with his sticks. Great concert. After a couple of decades I wasn't sure I remembered it correctly and that it must have been DeJohnett on drums. But I ran into Loyd here in Santa Barbara and he reassured me that he had indeed toured with Motian. Edited March 22, 2008 by medjuck Quote
ghost of miles Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Ian Carr's bio of Jarrett quotes KJ as saying that he and DeJohnette confronted Lloyd near the end of the Quartet, accusing him of having degenerated into "debauched" playing. KJ says that Lloyd responded that maybe he wanted to play that way--"And Jack and I looked at each other," KJ continues, "and said, 'OK, it's the beginning of the end of the band, I think.'" Carr then writes: DeJohnette left first, and Paul Motian played drums for a few gigs. Quote
JSngry Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) That's interesting, because the last-recorded Atlantic side (Soviet Union) is the least "debauched" of them all, or it is to my ears anyway. Wonder if The Red Menace has any insight as to why this might have been so... And actually, this clip is pretty non-debauched, relatively speaking. Edited March 22, 2008 by JSngry Quote
The Red Menace Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 That's interesting, because the last-recorded Atlantic side (Soviet Union) is the least "debauched" of them all, or it is to my ears anyway. Wonder if The Red Menace has any insight as to why this might have been so... It was not for lack of trying, Comrade Jsngry!!! I attempted numerous vodka toasts with Comrade Lloyd, but completing said toasts proved to be impossible--you see, every time I tried to pour into his glass, he levitated several feet off the floor and floated away from me!!! :o And now for the discographical matters. Comrade Lloyd visited my fair Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in May of 1967. The last Atlantic side appears to be Soundtrack, recorded in November of 1968. Your point about the video clip is taken. I wonder from whence it dates? Late 1968 or early 1969? Quote
JSngry Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Posted March 22, 2008 Oh, my bad. Soundtrack is the one Atlantic that I've never gotten. But everybody I know who's into Lloyd swears by it. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 23, 2008 Report Posted March 23, 2008 You know, years ago I was given for free NM original copies of Lloyd's Atlantics and one on Columbia. I scanned through them and was underwhelmed, so I sold them. Wish I had actually "lived" with them for a bit, even though he's still not among the tenor players I enjoy the most. Motian is a player who always makes me happy he's there - thanks for posting this. Quote
JSngry Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Posted March 23, 2008 You know, years ago I was given for free NM original copies of Lloyd's Atlantics and one on Columbia. I scanned through them and was underwhelmed, so I sold them. Wish I had actually "lived" with them for a bit, even though he's still not among the tenor players I enjoy the most. The "middle" Atlantics are kinda dire, but the early & later ones, although in no way "profound" do have a "thing" going on. They copped their own kind of groove, if you know what I mean. Quote
Guy Berger Posted March 23, 2008 Report Posted March 23, 2008 (edited) Oh, my bad. Soundtrack is the one Atlantic that I've never gotten. But everybody I know who's into Lloyd swears by it. I'll have to at least partially disagree. The rhythm section sounds GREAT -- one of their best performances with the band, locking into some very funky, very greasy grooves. Lloyd himself sounds terrible. I will check out this clip -- I was aware that Motian had played with the group after JD's departure but was not aware of any recordings. Some of the best recordings I have of this group are some boots from their 1967 European tour -- just amazing, and Lloyd's playing is really strong. Guy Edited March 23, 2008 by Guy Quote
JSngry Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Posted March 23, 2008 Oh, my bad. Soundtrack is the one Atlantic that I've never gotten. But everybody I know who's into Lloyd swears by it. I'll have to at least partially disagree. The rhythm section sounds GREAT -- one of their best performances with the band, locking into some very funky, very greasy grooves. Lloyd himself sounds terrible. To one degree or another, that was the story of that group's records from beginning to end... Quote
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