clifford_thornton Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 So......now ak is mommy. I might have dreams. Between the mommy and A&M, I'd say Funny Rat has gone into a totally different time zone. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 i didn't like the first two tippett albums-you are here.... and whats the other one? but he was like 21 or something. generally, i really like tippett from around this time period. You Are Here, I am There - Polydor, 1969 Dean, Charig, Evans, Clyne, Marshall, Tippett Dedicated to You, But You Weren't Listening - Vertigo, 1970 Dean, Charig, Evans, Whitehead, Babbington, Gary Boyle, Tony Uta, Wyatt, Howard, Spring I like both of these quite a bit. He was doing a lot more than I was at 21! Quote
king ubu Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 As for A&M--just sorta came up. Like a lot of stuff in this thread(?)... the Hart album is topic appropriate at least (Redman, Lake, Pullen etc.). IMHO, it was a lame attempt to get bucks for decent musicians. No reason to pay for it. Really? Have you played it again in recent years? I think it's quite good. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 i didn't like the first two tippett albums-you are here.... and whats the other one? but he was like 21 or something. generally, i really like tippett from around this time period. You Are Here, I am There - Polydor, 1969 Dean, Charig, Evans, Clyne, Marshall, Tippett Dedicated to You, But You Weren't Listening - Vertigo, 1970 Dean, Charig, Evans, Whitehead, Babbington, Gary Boyle, Tony Uta, Wyatt, Howard, Spring I like both of these quite a bit. He was doing a lot more than I was at 21! I had forgotten how young Tippett was at the time... damn! Great compositions, some good spots--but I get the feeling (just hear the first one) that the band is really holding back. It may have something to do with how it was all recorded, but I've certainly heard more powerful music from these guys. Surprised at the reaction to the A&M though--everything else I've heard has been positive... though we take all opinions into account, and I'll keep an open mind when I hear it. (we now return to your regularly scheduled FR...) Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 20, 2006 Report Posted October 20, 2006 I hear you re: the Tippett Polydor, but consider that he was working with Ronnie Scott in the late '60s and though he certainly knew the (slightly older) heavies, Tippett wasn't quite there yet himself. Honestly, it took about another year for those guys to really take it there. You listen to Dean, Tippett, etc. in 1970 and it's a whole 'nother story. But that said, I still get into the Polydor. It's a strong record. Quote
Guest the mommy Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 i think i just funny rat-ted myself out... had some $$$ so i picked up some CDs. finally got alan shorter's "tes estat", arthur doyle's "alabama feeling" (how come i had no idea this was on CD???), sabu toyozumi'a "message to chicago" (didn't know this was on CD either!), mike osborne's "shapes", sun ra's "strange celestial road" (how come i ddn't know about this one before?)....and that "green line" disc discussed elsewhere. but yeah i think i rat-ted myself out. i am listening to the doyle right now. not sure about it yet. i think i like it. the electric bass is kind of cool in this situation, actually. usually people play e-bass too fast but this guy is going real slow. actually this song is good (track 3) though it seemed to end quite abruptly. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) I'm a fan of Richard Williams (the bass player on Alabama Feeling), although he never seemed to break into the elite of free jazz bassists (strangely, too--played with Sun Ra for a while, did some excellent work with Steve Reid and Noah Howard, registered some fine appearances in numerous settings). Perhaps it has something to do with his instrument of choice (electric versus acoustic, upright bass) and all the amateurism nonsense that that entails. For whatever it's worth, he's a master in his idiom--I like how he plays around, and not below Doyle (not doing your usual heavy-handed, accelerated pizz that a lot of free bassists are so fond of)... there are times when he sounds like a second, more ponderous horn (dig those glisses!). Edited October 22, 2006 by ep1str0phy Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) Alabama Feeling and Tes Esat in one day? Think you can handle it, Ak-Ma? I like both of those records quite a bit... as for electric bassists, Earl Freeman's my man, but Williams isn't a slouch by any means. I think Charles Stephens may be the player holding Alabama Feeling together, keeping it from becoming a complete mess - but even in the messier parts, it's still really nice. Sabu Toyozumi is an amazing drummer, and that Nadja record is pretty sweet. His duos with Abe are unreal, however... Edited October 22, 2006 by clifford_thornton Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 As for A&M--just sorta came up. Like a lot of stuff in this thread(?)... the Hart album is topic appropriate at least (Redman, Lake, Pullen etc.). IMHO, it was a lame attempt to get bucks for decent musicians. No reason to pay for it. Really? Have you played it again in recent years? I think it's quite good. Have not listened in recent years. It could be nice but the feeling of "missed opportunity" lingers. I was hearing all these folks live at the time and the record seemed a huge compromise. I'm certain the musicians didn't embarrassed themselves and delivered a decent project. Quote
David Ayers Posted October 22, 2006 Report Posted October 22, 2006 As for A&M--just sorta came up. Like a lot of stuff in this thread(?)... the Hart album is topic appropriate at least (Redman, Lake, Pullen etc.). IMHO, it was a lame attempt to get bucks for decent musicians. No reason to pay for it. Really? Have you played it again in recent years? I think it's quite good. Have not listened in recent years. It could be nice but the feeling of "missed opportunity" lingers. I was hearing all these folks live at the time and the record seemed a huge compromise. I'm certain the musicians didn't embarrassed themselves and delivered a decent project. I had the CD and sold it on (probably to someone on this board). It is one of those that you want to hear, but once you have heard it you find yourself able to let go. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 I've seen the Enhance LP around for $5 or less. Never bought it, though Eugene Chadbourne seems enthused... The band looks pretty good, actually. I'd forgotten the lineup. I can only imagine what such a group would sound like live, however. Quote
Guest the mommy Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 crazy! on the same day i bought sun ra's "strange celestial road" and arthur doyle's "alabama feeling" and....they both have richard williams on bass. couldn't be any more different albums. interesting coincidence, no? i agree the trombone player on the doyle keeps it together. glad he's there. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 Sabu Toyozumi is an amazing drummer, and that Nadja record is pretty sweet. His duos with Abe are unreal, however... Hell yeah. Abe is just so eloquent on those--verging on Dolphian, but just disaffected and 'f-you' enough to remain distinctly Abe. Those are fine duos. -By the way, Clifford--how's your inquest into Japanese free improv going? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 It's going... picking up what I can here and there. I still find Abe a little cold enough of the time, but that may change. Getting primed to do a japanimprov.com order later in the week - I certainly am getting an idea of who I'm interested in hearing more from. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 23, 2006 Report Posted October 23, 2006 I've seen the Enhance LP around for $5 or less. Never bought it, though Eugene Chadbourne seems enthused... Picked up the LP for $4 last night. It's not bad, though certainly could've lived without it. Pullen is weird, as usual, so that's nice. I found Hart's drums too under-miked (or something) for my listening pleasure - it seemed like the session was missing its bottom end, and the top was sometimes a little too "clean" to warrant a lack of reasonable force. Quote
Guest the mommy Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 how is this marion brown live in japan disc i found. it is on DIW i think and from 1979. i fear it isn't too funny ratt-ish and might in fact be pretty boring. anyone know for sure? it has warren smith on drums so i am interested. japanese dude on bass.... looks like they might play some standards and i think brown melllowed out pretty quickly in the late 70s. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 I don't know it. It's a trio? I suspect it would be mellow, warmly lyrical and sparse with (if piano is present) some "modal" grooves. Probably a nice record. Quote
B. Clugston Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 I've seen it, but never heard it. Here's the details: Marion Brown: Live In Japan DIW-356 CD November 8, 1979 Shiminkaikan Hall, Hirosaki, Japan November Cotton Flower [16:10] (Marion Brown) Sunshine Road [13:10] (Marion Brown) Angel Eyes-Hurry Sundown [10:20] (Matt Dennis ~ Clarence Williams) La Placita [17:50] (Marion Brown) Africa [13:00] (Marion Brown) Marion Brown (as) Dave Burrell (p) Gon Mizuhashi (b) Warren Smith (d) Quote
king ubu Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) I played this one again a few days ago: alternate back cover: Marion Brown: La Placita - Live In Willisau Timeless SJP 108 (NL) Timeless Muse TI 314 (US) Timeless/RVC RJL-8080 (J) [released 1984] March 26, 1977 Willisau, Switzerland (live) La Placita [9:20] (Marion Brown) Fortunato [8:12] (Marion Brown) Sonnymoon For Two [5:14] (Sonny Rollins) Bosco [10:20] (Marion Brown) I'm Sorry [7:00] (Brandon K. Ross) Soft Winds [5:44] (Benny Goodman) Marion Brown (as) Brandon K. Ross (g) Jack Gregg (b) Steve McCraven (d) Very nice album! Funny, my front is red, just like the back of the above jpg, but on the Brown site, there's just the yellow and the pink front... [edit: maybe the yellow pic from above was red but got a bit too much sun?] I like the "mellow, warmly lyrical, sparse" description a lot. Brown is a great musician, very underrated, I assume, although that's an annoying tag. Edited October 25, 2006 by king ubu Quote
Guest the mommy Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 ubuh, i would say your live album looks more interesting! too bad that isn't the one available on CD. or is it? i have some shaky sound-quality live material of brown fronting a group with ross and another guitar player from 1976 or 1977-ish. Quote
David Ayers Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Had it (La Placita) sold it. Rare, so I wish I'd auctioned it! Annoying guitar, generally thin and amateurish mix? Edited October 25, 2006 by David Ayers Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Not that rare; I like the version of "Fortunato" on that one... it's a very good record, though I haven't heard it in some time (guess we agree to disagree there!)... Brandon Ross is also hip on that New Life Trio LP on Mustevic. Quote
king ubu Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Mr. uhm, mommy..., I assume I have those same live recordings, too... as far as I see on that Brown site, the Timeless is vinyl only. I don't think it's rare - the store where I bought mine, half a year or so ago, had another copy of it and it was prized in the 10-12$ range, which is *cheap* here (nice prize CDs go for roughly 17-19$, glass of beer or a coffe for 2.5-4$). Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Brandon Ross is still doing some interesting, vital work (working with MMelford right now, and the band is pretty kickin'), although there's quite a bit of poety-singer/songwriter in his bag. A great, if somewhat atypical Marion Brown record that has been making the rounds is "Songs of Love and Regret" (a duo with Mal Waldron). Now, this is not a Funny Rat record, but it features some fine Marion blowing (very in the pocket the entire set--which is to say "inside", I guess--but, yes, "mellow, warmly lyrical, sparse"). Edited October 25, 2006 by ep1str0phy Quote
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