2010 MLB Season

[vajerzy]

Went to the Giants victory parade and ceremony yesterday here in SF. It was a crush of humanity. The local news sources estimated 1.5 million people participated.

I'm jealous

The Richmond Flying Squirrels (AA-Giants) gift shop has the SF World Series Champions hats and sweatshirts- the hats are really nice!

On Sat I spoke to Ross Grimsley- pitching coach for the Squirrels and we were discussing the pitching for the Giants and he was like a proud papa talking about Baumgartner, Cain and Lincecum...he worked with them in the minors- and glad to see them do well in the playoffs.

[Tim McG]

The Fresno Grizzlies are my local Triple-A team.

[Man with the Golden Arm]

[Chalupa]

Giants outfielder hailed on Friday, charged on Monday

[Tim McG]

Right now, it's all about Buster Posey: 2010 Rookie of the Year!

Rookie of the Year

Giants outfielder hailed on Friday, charged on Monday

Sour grapes, Philly.

[JSngry]

It's half about Buster Posey - 2010 National League Rookie of the Year.

The other half is about: http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101115&content_id=16099572&vkey=news_tex&c_id=tex

When was the last time a battery combined to win ROTY awards?

[BFrank]

When was the last time a battery combined to win ROTY awards?

... or two players on opposing WS teams?

[JSngry]

Yeah!

Have either of these ever happened, much less both?

[Quincy]

Yeah!

Have either of these ever happened, much less both?

It's not a battery if they're on opposing teams. But the last time a pitcher & catcher won ROYs might have been in '72 when Matlack of the Mets and Fisk of the Red Sox won. There may be others.

As far as both ROYs making it to the World Series, I started at the bottom of the list and found a pair fairly quickly. 1951. Willie Mays & Gil McDougald. Also '81 - Fernando & Rags (current Giants pitching coach). There might be more.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Quincy

[JSngry]

Yeah!

Have either of these ever happened, much less both?

It's not a battery if they're on opposing teams.

It's also not a battery unless there's an actual game being played, I mean Koufax & Roseboro weren't a batttery when they were in the shower or when they were crossing the street, so c'mon, a little Hot Stove lattitude here, please!

Ok, Rookie Of The Year "batteries":

1968 Stan Bahnsen - New York Johnny Bench - Cincinnati

1970 Thurman Munson - New York Carl Morton - Montreal

1972 Carlton Fisk - Boston Jon Matlack - New York

That's it.

Edited November 16, 2010 by JSngry

[Chalupa]

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

[Tim McG]

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

[Patrick]

I guess he is (at least) as good as Cliff Lee after all.

[JETman]

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

He had a GOOD year, but still nowhere near the 1.53 ERA Doc posted in 1985. Now, that was some serious quality pitching! And he was only 21. All this talk about Halladay, Lincecum, CC, Santana makes me laugh. None of them even compares to Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, et. al.

[Tim McG]

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

He had a GOOD year, but still nowhere near the 1.53 ERA Doc posted in 1985. Now, that was some serious quality pitching! And he was only 21. All this talk about Halladay, Lincecum, CC, Santana makes me laugh. None of them even compares to Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, et. al.

Good point.

However, I would argue the batters are that much better than they were back in the day. A pitcher has to be much more of a craftsman with his pitches these days. The days of just having one or two pitches [fastball/curve] have been replaced by pitches [sinkers, sliders, spilters, slurves, off speed stuff, etc] that rely on much more movement and placement.

No doubt guys like Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Drysdale, Koufax, Juan Marichal, etc would have been an anchor for any of today's pitching staffs, but they would have a hard time with guys who are a tough out. A straight-up hard thrower gets lit up a lot more often now.

Just my two cents...

Edited November 17, 2010 by GoodSpeak

[JETman]

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

He had a GOOD year, but still nowhere near the 1.53 ERA Doc posted in 1985. Now, that was some serious quality pitching! And he was only 21. All this talk about Halladay, Lincecum, CC, Santana makes me laugh. None of them even compares to Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, et. al.

Good point.

However, I would argue the batters are that much better than they were back in the day. A pitcher has to be much more of a craftsman with his pitches these days. The days of just having one or two pitches [fastball/curve] have been replaced by pitches [sinkers, sliders, spilters, slurves, off speed stuff, etc] that rely on much more movement and placement.

No doubt guys like Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Drysdale, Koufax, Juan Marichal, etc would have been an anchor for any of today's pitching staffs, but they would have a hard time with guys who are a tough out. A straight-up hard thrower gets lit up a lot more often now.

Just my two cents...

Oh, really?

[JSngry]

No doubt guys like Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Drysdale, Koufax, Juan Marichal, etc would have been an anchor for any of today's pitching staffs, but they would have a hard time with guys who are a tough out. A straight-up hard thrower gets lit up a lot more often now.

If more pitchers pitched like Bob Gibson, that might not be the case...

[Tim McG]

Gibson never faced Reggie Jackson.

Personally, I think Reggie would have gone yard on him....easily.

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

He had a GOOD year, but still nowhere near the 1.53 ERA Doc posted in 1985. Now, that was some serious quality pitching! And he was only 21. All this talk about Halladay, Lincecum, CC, Santana makes me laugh. None of them even compares to Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, et. al.

Good point.

However, I would argue the batters are that much better than they were back in the day. A pitcher has to be much more of a craftsman with his pitches these days. The days of just having one or two pitches [fastball/curve] have been replaced by pitches [sinkers, sliders, spilters, slurves, off speed stuff, etc] that rely on much more movement and placement.

No doubt guys like Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Drysdale, Koufax, Juan Marichal, etc would have been an anchor for any of today's pitching staffs, but they would have a hard time with guys who are a tough out. A straight-up hard thrower gets lit up a lot more often now.

Just my two cents...

Oh, really?

Really.

[BERIGAN]

Gibson never faced Reggie Jackson.

Personally, I think Reggie would have gone yard on him....easily.

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

He had a GOOD year, but still nowhere near the 1.53 ERA Doc posted in 1985. Now, that was some serious quality pitching! And he was only 21. All this talk about Halladay, Lincecum, CC, Santana makes me laugh. None of them even compares to Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, et. al.

Good point.

However, I would argue the batters are that much better than they were back in the day. A pitcher has to be much more of a craftsman with his pitches these days. The days of just having one or two pitches [fastball/curve] have been replaced by pitches [sinkers, sliders, spilters, slurves, off speed stuff, etc] that rely on much more movement and placement.

No doubt guys like Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Drysdale, Koufax, Juan Marichal, etc would have been an anchor for any of today's pitching staffs, but they would have a hard time with guys who are a tough out. A straight-up hard thrower gets lit up a lot more often now.

Just my two cents...

Oh, really?

Really.

I know I will regret this...anywho....Gibson had a great slider, probably wouldn't have thrown Reggie any fastballs unless it was up in the zone, with 2 strikes. In 1968 he threw 304 innings, and completed 28 games. If he was playing today, he'd have a 20 Mil a year contract, and teams wouldn't risk him blowing out his arm, and there would be 4 other starters in the rotation. So, he wouldn't have to pace himself quite the same way. And he'd be in better shape in this era, as would be Koufax, etc, etc, etc....

Sandy would throw Reggie 3 curveballs better than he ever saw in his life, wouldn't take the bat off his shoulder, and would walk back to the dugout shaking his head.

Another of lifes mysteries solved by me!

[Tim McG]

Gibson never faced Reggie Jackson.

Personally, I think Reggie would have gone yard on him....easily.

Roy Halladay is the unanimous NL Cy Young Award winner for 2010

Not suprising....he had an absolute stellar year on the mound.

He deserves it.

He had a GOOD year, but still nowhere near the 1.53 ERA Doc posted in 1985. Now, that was some serious quality pitching! And he was only 21. All this talk about Halladay, Lincecum, CC, Santana makes me laugh. None of them even compares to Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, et. al.

Good point.

However, I would argue the batters are that much better than they were back in the day. A pitcher has to be much more of a craftsman with his pitches these days. The days of just having one or two pitches [fastball/curve] have been replaced by pitches [sinkers, sliders, spilters, slurves, off speed stuff, etc] that rely on much more movement and placement.

No doubt guys like Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Drysdale, Koufax, Juan Marichal, etc would have been an anchor for any of today's pitching staffs, but they would have a hard time with guys who are a tough out. A straight-up hard thrower gets lit up a lot more often now.

Just my two cents...

Oh, really?

Really.

I know I will regret this...anywho....Gibson had a great slider, probably wouldn't have thrown Reggie any fastballs unless it was up in the zone, with 2 strikes. In 1968 he threw 304 innings, and completed 28 games. If he was playing today, he'd have a 20 Mil a year contract, and teams wouldn't risk him blowing out his arm, and there would be 4 other starters in the rotation. So, he wouldn't have to pace himself quite the same way. And he'd be in better shape in this era, as would be Koufax, etc, etc, etc....

Sandy would throw Reggie 3 curveballs better than he ever saw in his life, wouldn't take the bat off his shoulder, and would walk back to the dugout shaking his head.

Another of lifes mysteries solved by me!

Nah.

Koufax would beat Jackson that way once. The next time he'd rip it into the bleachers.

Gibson would feed Jackson nothing but hard stuff on the outside trying to get him to chase one. Maybe even a little "chin music" to get him off the plate. If he goes inside or hangs one on him, Jackson would knock the ball clear into the next week.

Then the next AB, Gibson would plunk him.

That is the true Gibson.

Edited November 18, 2010 by GoodSpeak

[vajerzy]

The mound was higher in the 60s (lowered in 1968?) and strike zone was bigger. Totally different ball game back then.

This is where you break out the Stat-o-matic board game!

[Tim McG]

The mound was higher in the 60s (lowered in 1968?) and strike zone was bigger. Totally different ball game back then.

I agree.

The Jackson years were different from today's games, too.

[JSngry]

This is where you break out the Stat-o-matic board game!

Strat-o-matic!!!!

A proud player and owner from 1966-1969, even bought the "Hall of Fame" set somewhere in there...1927 Ruth vs 1966 Koufax, a kid's dream come true (and Koufax usually won).

It was like fantasy baseball only much more baseball than fantasy.

[Quincy]

Nah.

Koufax would beat Jackson that way once. The next time he'd rip it into the bleachers.

Gibson would feed Jackson nothing but hard stuff on the outside trying to get him to chase one. Maybe even a little "chin music" to get him off the plate. If he goes inside or hangs one on him, Jackson would knock the ball clear into the next week.

Then the next AB, Gibson would plunk him.

That is the true Gibson.

Considering that Koufax & Gibson faced Aaron and Mays I don't see why you're making a such a big deal about Jackson. I loved watching Reggie, but as the all-time strikeout leader it's not like he was in the class of Aaron or Mays.

[Tim McG]

Nah.

Koufax would beat Jackson that way once. The next time he'd rip it into the bleachers.

Gibson would feed Jackson nothing but hard stuff on the outside trying to get him to chase one. Maybe even a little "chin music" to get him off the plate. If he goes inside or hangs one on him, Jackson would knock the ball clear into the next week.

Then the next AB, Gibson would plunk him.

That is the true Gibson.

Considering that Koufax & Gibson faced Aaron and Mays I don't see why you're making a such a big deal about Jackson. I loved watching Reggie, but as the all-time strikeout leader it's not like he was in the class of Aaron or Mays.

Um.

I'm not the one making a "big deal" about Reggie Jackson.

I might suggest going back and reading the previous exchange.

But that's just me.