madison square garden has 10 years to get out

[alocispepraluger102]

http://deadspin.com/madison-square-garden-has-10-years-to-get-out-907643716?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

"The demolition of the gorgeous old Penn Station in 1963 to make way for the construction of Madison Square Garden remains one of the country's great civic tragedies. Now, New York is finally trying to rectify its mistakes: the city council has given MSG 10 years to vacate the premises.

The Madison Square Garden Company's 50-year permit to operate the arena expired earlier this year, but it has been lobbying hard for a renewal in perpetuity, sending the likes of Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, and Spike Lee to argue the case for staying. But the city has granted only a 10-year permit, after which the Garden will be knocked down for the redevelopment of Penn Station."

[ejp626]

That's very strange. They were going to essentially use the Post Office Building next door to sort of mimic the old Penn Station. Maybe they ultimately decided it was too costly and that it was too much of an imposition to passengers to go a block west (certainly the passenger flows are primarily on the east side of the existing Penn Station). I am very curious as to how this all plays out.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Was there a Madison Square Garden located elsewhere in NYC before 1963? I feel sure I remember Rocky Marciano fighting Don Cockell there in the fifties.

MG

[T.D.]

Was there a Madison Square Garden located elsewhere in NYC before 1963? I feel sure I remember Rocky Marciano fighting Don Cockell there in the fifties.

MG

Yeah, that was a little way Uptown, at 8th Ave and 50th St. (now the site of "Worldwide Plaza"), until 1968. There was an earlier site Downtown, on (surprise) Madison Square (5th Ave/Broadway and 23d St).

[Stefan Wood]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130721/REAL_ESTATE/307219987

An engineering event that will go unnoticed.

[alocispepraluger102]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130721/REAL_ESTATE/307219987

An engineering event that will go unnoticed.

thank you.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Was there a Madison Square Garden located elsewhere in NYC before 1963? I feel sure I remember Rocky Marciano fighting Don Cockell there in the fifties.

MG

Yeah, that was a little way Uptown, at 8th Ave and 50th St. (now the site of "Worldwide Plaza"), until 1968. There was an earlier site Downtown, on (surprise) Madison Square (5th Ave/Broadway and 23d St).

Thank you. Thought I was going nuts there for a mo.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130721/REAL_ESTATE/307219987

An engineering event that will go unnoticed.

thank you.

A very interesting article, thanks.

MG

[alocispepraluger102]

grand central station, another historic marvel still standing.

well worth the read, plus an interesting podcast by the author.

http://johnbatchelorshow.com/podcasts/2013/02/27/fourth-hour

"A rich, illustrated - and entertaining -- history of the iconic Grand Central Terminal, from one of New York City's favorite writers, just in time to celebrate the train station's 100th fabulous anniversary. In the winter of 1913, Grand Central Station was officially opened and immediately became one of the most beautiful and recognizable Manhattan landmarks. In this celebration of the one hundred year old terminal, Sam Roberts of The New York Times looks back at Grand Central's conception, amazing history, and the far-reaching cultural effects of the station that continues to amaze tourists and shuttle busy commuters."

Edited July 25, 2013 by alocispepraluger102

[Blue Train]

That's very strange. They were going to essentially use the Post Office Building next door to sort of mimic the old Penn Station. Maybe they ultimately decided it was too costly and that it was too much of an imposition to passengers to go a block west (certainly the passenger flows are primarily on the east side of the existing Penn Station). I am very curious as to how this all plays out.

10-years is a good deal of time to get them to change their minds and there is a loophole. They are just finishing a $1 billion renovation. I don't see them just giving up. Who is paying for the new one? Will the city have to compensate for the renovations to the current MSG?

With the loophole....it comes across as a way to get the Dolan family to help pay for the renovations to Penn St.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Blue Train

[alocispepraluger102]

it's going to be grand.

[ejp626]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130721/REAL_ESTATE/307219987

An engineering event that will go unnoticed.

While not scheduled for completion for many years, Chicago's Deep Tunnel is designed for flood relief and to reduce (somewhat) sewage wastes leaking back into Lake Michigan: http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/December-2011/Deep-Inside-Chicagos-Deep-Tunnel/

Even the fact that it is partway complete has had some positive benefits, and with more irregular weather predicted and probably more floods in the future, it will definitely be needed. One of the few instances of modern day (late 90s) politicians actually undertaking a large (and useful) infrastructure project. (In my opinion Boston's Big Dig was a wasted effort, though it was certainly a massive undertaking.)

Edited July 25, 2013 by ejp626

[Blue Train]

4 proposals for the new Penn Station....

http://gizmodo.com/four-glamorous-new-penn-station-designs-that-we-should-510662698

[alocispepraluger102]

4 proposals for the new Penn Station....

http://gizmodo.com/four-glamorous-new-penn-station-designs-that-we-should-510662698

fascinating----thank you.

[paul secor]

Screw the Dolans.

[alocispepraluger102]

Screw the Dolans.