Dave Brubeck Hollywood Bowl 1958

[Stonewall15]

This 1958 session is listed on Amazon. It includes a version of "Take Five". My Brubeck discography says that "Take Five" was first recorded on July 1, 1959 in NYC and released on the Columbia "Time Out" LP (CL-1397). My question is was "Time Out" previously played in 1958 or is the date wrong on the Hollywood Bowl listing?

[mikeweil]

The earliest recording of Take Five listed in the Tom Lord Disco dates from a September 1958 Monterey performance, but that is probably incorrect, as the back cover lists 1966 as the year of recordng.

The recording you ask for is scheduled for January 2017 release over here - the samples sound good. Seems to be previously unreleased material.

Edited November 9, 2016 by mikeweil

[Stonewall15]

Come on Brubeck fans. Someone out there must know an answer to this problem.

[JSngry]

This site says that Brubeck opened for Keeley Smith at this 1958 Hollywood bowl gig.

http://pastdaily.com/2012/12/05/dave-brubeck-live-at-the-hollywood-bowl-1958-a-tribute-from-past-daily/

 

Here it says the same gig was in 1960: http://crooksandliars.com/gordonskene/newstalgia-downbeat-dave-brubeck-and-k

And ok, listening to the actual recording, Brubeck introduces "Take 5" as " a tune of Paul's right now, one that I'm sure most of you have heard". Couple that with how the tempo has already begun to pick up, and 1960 seems much more likely than 1958. 1958 pretty much seems out of the question.

And ok, here's the same site that gives Brubeck as 1958 giving the same concert (and calling it Keely Smith's Hollywood Bowl debut at that!) as 1962.

http://pastdaily.com/2013/12/01/keely-smith-concert-hollywood-bowl-1962-past-daily-pop-chronicles/

So if Brubeck opened for Keely Smith @ the Hollywood Bowl in 1958 and Keely didn't make her debut until 1962, that must've been one helluva intermission, that's all I can say.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

This site says that Brubeck opened for Keeley Smith at this 1958 Hollywood bowl gig.

http://pastdaily.com/2012/12/05/dave-brubeck-live-at-the-hollywood-bowl-1958-a-tribute-from-past-daily/

 

Well, since Brubeck introduces "Take Five" as a song that "I am sure most of you have heard", the date of this Hollywood Bowl date must be wrong since nobody would have heard in 1958.

[JSngry]

1963 is another option: http://barbra-archives.com/live/60s/hollywood_bowl_63_streisand.html

"Castilian Blues" was released in 1962, recorded in 1961. So, really, anything before 1961 seems highly unlikely.

[JSngry]

Billy Sol Estes in the news, Sinatra recently returned from Hong Kong, Bo Belinsky reference, 1962 is the most likely year,

[Stonewall15]

JSngry- You did an excellent job of research. I will buy 1962 as the probable year. Now- has this Brubeck 1962 session been previously released on LP or CD? In other words is this incorrectly labeled 1958 CD actually something new? 

[jazztrain]

Does anyone have the Paul Desmond book by Doug Ramsey?  The portions that are available on line don't resolve the issue.  There could be more in the book.

[JSngry]

1 hour ago, Stonewall15 said:

JSngry- You did an excellent job of research. I will buy 1962 as the probable year. Now- has this Brubeck 1962 session been previously released on LP or CD? In other words is this incorrectly labeled 1958 CD actually something new? 

I can't guarantee anything, but given the sate of, uh...uncritical thinking that goes into the packaging of so many of "these type of things", I give at least even money that this "1958 Hollywood Bowl" concert is actually the 1962 Hollywood Bowl Concert that somebody got hold up in a mislabeled form and they're just running with that because that's how it rolls in the land of "these type things".

You make up your own mind, but...

 

And ok, this: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/music/album/dave-brubeck/at-the-hollywood-bowl-1958/8d6kgx7l6mcn

Is the same as the 1962 gig that was put up on one of the sites listed previously. Same set list, same track lengths (essentially) same gig, surely.

[jazzbo]

And when this first appeared on disc '58 was a better year to go by as far as legalities go.

[l p]

and the photo is obviously from 1962. above his eye you can see the small scar that he got while in a knife fight outside of shelly's manne-hole on xmas 1961.

 

 

[paul secor]

I'm not doubting what you wrote, but Dave Brubeck in a knife fight is something that's outside of my imagination. Perhaps I need to expand my imagination.

[JSngry]

Dave Brubeck needed neither knife nor fight. He had Paul Desmond, and that motherfucker would logic you into submission, no bloodshed needed.

Of course, Brubeck kept it all going,but really, resistance to Paul Desmond is the ultimate exercise in thinking you have a long game but guess what - no, THAT'S the cat with the long game.

[Jim R]

12 hours ago, l p said:

above his eye you can see the small scar that he got while in a knife fight outside of shelly's manne-hole on xmas 1961.

Source?

[l p]

7 hours ago, Jim R said:

Source?

 

Me.

[Stonewall15]

Has this 1958 or 1962 session been previously released on CD or LP?

Could this be a new item in the Brubeck discography?

[JSngry]

Seems to me like it's been circulated for a while, possibly/probably even on Dime, so even if this is it's first hard-copy release, it's no doubt already a known performance.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

wait back up Brubeck was involved in a knife fight outside of shellys manne hole?  one of the classic LA jazz clubs ive visited?? (the building)...more info requested

[jazzbo]

I think Len was pulling our legs.

[JSngry]

My legs are ok, but my chain definitely felt a few yanks.