Don Cherry

[Luciano]

The new LP by Don Cherry Complete Communion: Live in Hilversum may 9, 1966

contains:  Exodus,  Orfeo Negro,  Suite For Children, Afro Blue,  Remember Clifford

To Me Orfeo negro is from: Complete Communion: Live In Stuttgart Germany At Liederhalle Beethovensaal, May 12th, 1966 by: Modern Silence Malta 0I 013

Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks Luciano

[clifford_thornton]

don't have it but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were lifted from another bootleg...

it should be the same set as on the Free Factory CD, right?

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Quintets-Featuring-Archie-Shepp-Gato-Barbieri-Copenhagen-1963-Hilversum-1966/release/3404680

[Gheorghe]

Oh that sounds good ! Complete Communion is my favourite Don Cherry, I like it even more than "Suite for Improvisers" or "Where is Brooklyn" which is also superb work.

But to have "Complete Communion" live that sounds like dreams might become true !

[Rooster_Ties]

Need to find you both of these CD's (which I've had since ~1994, just after I moved to Kansas City).

BUT, I think there have been one (or more?) subsequent reissues of (all?) this material too -- I'm pretty sure I've seen this/these on CD with different covers on the Dusty Groove site a few years ago.

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-The-Montmartre-Vol-1/release/3596582

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-The-Montmartre-Vol-2/release/5070073

 

 

[Rooster_Ties]

OK, looking again, those two "Magnetic" euro-boots seem to be the same as these two legit(?) [really???] releases, of all things, on ESP(??!!!)...

These also seem to have *extensive* liner-notes, all of which are visible (for both volumes) if you click on the images on the "discogs" listings below.  I'm pretty sure in good enough resolution that you can read every word too.  Damn, do I need to upgrade from my 2 ancient "Magnetic" boot copies of these dates?

And seriously, are these two seemingly ESP reissues, are these actual LEGIT releases of this material?  I'm assuming the sound-quality is the same as the 2 "Magnetic" CDs.  Any flaws in the sound there (on the Magnetics) seem inherent to the recording, and not because of being poorly sourced from multi-generation tapes, etc.  In any case, if these ESP CD's are legit issues of this stuff, perhaps I should track them down, on principle.  (Not that I have anything against euro-boots; I've got plenty -- but I do always try and upgrade when stuff comes out legit at a later date -- as I've done will all my Miles euro-boots, and the like.)

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966/release/1049985

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966-Volume-Two/release/1637610

 

[felser]

I have them on ESP-Disk.  Great stuff, btw.

[Rooster_Ties]

I don't think I ever knew there was a volume 3 on ESP -- ????

Is there collectively more music on the 3 ESP CD's, than the 2 Magnetics??  I'll have to look into the details (I know, the details are all in the links I just posted, and the images I'm posting).  I mean, I'll have to actually take the time to look at what's what, and compare stuff side by side (to make sense of it all).

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966-Volume-Three/release/2150230

Edited March 14, 2019 by Rooster_Ties

[felser]

Yes, mathematically I think it adds up to another 40 or so minutes of music.  Plus it's maybe a little closer to being legal.   The vol 1's and vol 2's on each label don't exactly correlate with each other.  Anyways, great music and plenty decent enough sound.

[Gheorghe]

I must get that. Didn´t know about it. But I think this was issued by ESP after the real time of that label (60´s ) since I was quite aware of the ESP catalog but don´t think there was this, or Don Cherry. They had other, parial lesser known avantgarde artists and strange enough, some older live material by Bird, Bud, and Billie.......

[Luciano]

On 13/3/2019 at 0:21 AM, clifford_thornton said:

Thanks..

Due to my poor English I answer so:
this is the new LP in question:
https://www.deejay.de/Don_Cherry_Complete_Communion:_Live_in_Hilversum_May_9_1966_DBQP10_Vinyl__349197
As you can see it contains 5 Titles and:

Orfeo Negro was previous pubished on the LP (see the link):

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Complete-Communion-Don-Cherry-Gato-Barbieri-Karl-Berger-Bo-Stief-Aldo-Romano-Live-At-Lied/release/9249590
the other yes, on:
https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Quintets-Featuring-Archie-Shepp-Gato-Barbieri-Copenhagen-1963-Hilversum-1966/release/3404680

 

23 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

Thanks

 

11 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Need to find you both of these CD's (which I've had since ~1994, just after I moved to Kansas City).

BUT, I think there have been one (or more?) subsequent reissues of (all?) this material too -- I'm pretty sure I've seen this/these on CD with different covers on the Dusty Groove site a few years ago.

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-The-Montmartre-Vol-1/release/3596582

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-The-Montmartre-Vol-2/release/5070073

 

 

I have these items but Orfeo Negro is another version
and don't concern my question
thakns anyway

10 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

OK, looking again, those two "Magnetic" euro-boots seem to be the same as these two legit(?) [really???] releases, of all things, on ESP(??!!!)...

These also seem to have *extensive* liner-notes, all of which are visible (for both volumes) if you click on the images on the "discogs" listings below.  I'm pretty sure in good enough resolution that you can read every word too.  Damn, do I need to upgrade from my 2 ancient "Magnetic" boot copies of these dates?

And seriously, are these two seemingly ESP reissues, are these actual LEGIT releases of this material?  I'm assuming the sound-quality is the same as the 2 "Magnetic" CDs.  Any flaws in the sound there (on the Magnetics) seem inherent to the recording, and not because of being poorly sourced from multi-generation tapes, etc.  In any case, if these ESP CD's are legit issues of this stuff, perhaps I should track them down, on principle.  (Not that I have anything against euro-boots; I've got plenty -- but I do always try and upgrade when stuff comes out legit at a later date -- as I've done will all my Miles euro-boots, and the like.)

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966/release/1049985

https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966-Volume-Two/release/1637610

 

I have the Three ESP Compact Discs too

4 hours ago, felser said:

Yes, mathematically I think it adds up to another 40 or so minutes of music.  Plus it's maybe a little closer to being legal.   The vol 1's and vol 2's on each label don't exactly correlate with each other.  Anyways, great music and plenty decent enough sound.

I Agree, thanks

[Luciano]

1 hour ago, Gheorghe said:

I must get that. Didn´t know about it. But I think this was issued by ESP after the real time of that label (60´s ) since I was quite aware of the ESP catalog but don´t think there was this, or Don Cherry. They had other, parial lesser known avantgarde artists and strange enough, some older live material by Bird, Bud, and Billie.......

Don Cherry is present on all the three ESP items. The II volume contain Orfeo Negro but it is another version but it's another version of Hilversum or Stuttgart

[clifford_thornton]

Right, we got a little off topic here -- the ESP stuff is from Montmartre, same band and tour but different venue. I have the ESPs somewhere and the sound is decent. My understanding is they were licensed from the Cherry estate and therefore legal.

[Luciano]

Dear Sir

 Unfortunately, I still don't know where to put the question.
 I try to do it here in the hope that someone will answer me.

I would like to know if the concert Bombay and Jazz - A documentary 1992 with Don Cherry, Trilok Gurtu, L. Shankar ..., was held on

New Year Day 1991 or 1992

I hope someone can solve the problem.

Thank

Luciano