Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Joyce - “Sunbath” Edited January 31, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, bertrand said: Who wrote this tune? Nobody anybody’s ever heard of, but fwiw, her initials are PS. Quote
JSngry Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 Peggy Stern, intersected with Lee Konitz. I guess I lose this game because I have never heard the song, never thought that I had, and know that I haven't. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JSngry said: I guess I lose this game because I have never heard the song, never thought that I had, and know that I haven't. You (Jim), of all people, have heard this song (somewhere else). I guarantee it, 100%. I have 3 versions of this song on CD — and the autographs of two musicians who were part of the lineups of said recordings. You probably own one or two copies yourself, Jim. At least one. Edited January 31, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote
JSngry Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 Kinda sounds like game show music (or good sample fodder), but...if the Discogs listing is accurate,,,doesn't ring any kind of bells or seem like it should., sorry? It was sampled into something else, is that what yo're saying? Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) No sampling tricks. Somebody we all love recorded this song, and had it in their book for at least a couple years (evidence the two live recordings I also have). If you heard the version we all know, you’d instantly recognize it. But it’s totally the same song. Joyce’s version isn’t all that different, but it under-emphasizes aspects of the tune that might trigger recognition. (Or the version we all know punches them up, is a better way of saying it.) Edited January 31, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote
bertrand Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 It is on Woody Shaw's Love Dance. Credited to Peggy Stern there, but Frank Lacy recorded it recently and says it is by Joe Bonner, who plays on Love Dance. Where else did Woody record it? Quote
JSngry Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 ok, saw that on Discogs. Found this as well: Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) It’s also on Vol 1 of the Woody/Louis-Hayes “On Tour” 2016 Highnote. https://www.discogs.com/release/19683304-Woody-Shaw-Louis-Hayes-The-Tour-Volume-One Isn’t it interesting how utterly unrecognizable Joyce’s version is?? I doubt I would have figured it out myself. The entire tune’s all there, but it sure is something else, I’ll say that. Edited January 31, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said: Isn’t it interesting how utterly unrecognizable Joyce’s version is?? The entire tune’s all there, but it sure is something else, I’ll say that. For easier, quick comparison… Quote
JSngry Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 I'll put this delicately...I wish that Joyce had practiced the melody a little more before recording it. But now...Peggy Stern, hmmm....getting curious, maybe. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) We could get curious about Katrina Krimsky, while we’re at it… https://www.discogs.com/release/5836689-Katrina-Krimsky-Katrina-Krimsky Edited January 31, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote
JSngry Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 Indeed we could...and probably will! Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Or how about Judi Singh, for that matter. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.591966 https://citymuseumedmonton.ca/2021/02/19/judi-singh-a-black-south-asian-musician-from-1950s-70s-edmonton/ http://citizenfreak.com/titles/300644-singh-judy-a-time-for-love https://www.discogs.com/artist/4265027-Judy-Singh Unless I’m mistaken, she’s the one and the same who wrote and sings on this… Edited January 31, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote
JSngry Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 yeah, maybe. But Katrina is working for me right now: https://www.discogs.com/artist/296739-Katrina-Krimsky Quote
bertrand Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Konitz and Stern were actually an item for a while, per Konitz. I met her once or twice in DC, and I am Facebook friends with her. I could message her asking how Woody came to record her piece. I will leave out the Lacy/Bonner bit. I can also check copyrights later. Edited January 31, 2022 by bertrand Quote
sidewinder Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said: Or how about Judi Singh, for that matter. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.591966 https://citymuseumedmonton.ca/2021/02/19/judi-singh-a-black-south-asian-musician-from-1950s-70s-edmonton/ http://citizenfreak.com/titles/300644-singh-judy-a-time-for-love https://www.discogs.com/artist/4265027-Judy-Singh Unless I’m mistaken, she’s the one and the same who wrote and sings on this… Yes, that’s right. Very sadly, Judi passed away last year, she was very prominent as a jazz singer in Edmonton over that 70s-90s period. In more recent years she relocated/ retired to Victoria, BC I believe. That early CBC MOR LP with Tommy Banks is a real collector’s item, although it was reissued I believe on vinyl, a couple of years ago. I saw her perform on a number of occasions, one of which I recall was a quartet featuring trombonist Julian Priester. By coincidence I was spinning that ‘For Sure’ album last night and have always enjoyed the Judi Singh tracks (Shaw played Edmonton in the late 70s so that arrangement must have resulted in an invite to participate in the album). In fact thinking about it, Michael Cuscuna’s notes in the Mosaic booklet confirm this. Edited January 31, 2022 by sidewinder Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, bertrand said: I met her [Stern] once or twice in DC, and I am Facebook friends with her. I could message her asking how Woody came to record her piece. I will leave out the Lacy/Bonner bit. I can also check copyrights later. Trust, but verify — gotcha. Quote
bertrand Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: Trust, but verify — gotcha. Well, I am not sure what I may find. Possibly nothing. Unless proven otherwise, the composer is Stern because she was listed on the LP. The odds that Lacy is confused because Bonner is on the record are fairly high. Quote
Gheorghe Posted February 1, 2022 Report Posted February 1, 2022 19 hours ago, JSngry said: ok, saw that on Discogs. Found this as well: That´s also the one I have. On it is also Kathrina Ballerina. Quote
bertrand Posted February 2, 2022 Report Posted February 2, 2022 Copyrights don't tell me much, but Stern recorded it in 1998 on one of her records (with some sort of vocal choir), whereas Bonner never recorded it again, I lean towards Stern as composer. Bonner may have told Lacy that he was the composer, I assume they knew each other, Quote
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