JSngry Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 That record of Joe Williams and Basie, why write charts that don't sound at all like Basie, I mean, really? I never bought this as a standalone record, nor would I recommend that anybody do. It's just some sillyass foofaw minkalinga. Also, are we sure that Sonny Payne is the drummer here? Really? Color me skepectical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 I became aware of Bregman through the Ella Fitzgerald Cole Porter and Rodgers & Hart Songbooks. I instantly thought the arrangements were subpar. The best are serviceable, and the worst sound dated and old-fashioned. I don't think Bregman had a very good harmonic instinct. I found out only later that he was a relative of Norman Granz. Having friends and relatives in high places always helps. To this day, those are my two least favorite Ella Songbook albums, and that's too bad, because they are among my favorite songwriters of that crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: I don't think Bregman had a very good harmonic instinct. Nor architectural instincts, either. That stuff just blops out there, like Billy May writing too drunk to write (if that was even possible?) I seem to recall that at some point he realized his shortcomings and tried to get better? This arranging shit isn't easy, there's more to it than just filling up space with generic action figure discards, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, JSngry said: Nor architectural instincts, either. That stuff just blops out there, like Billy May writing too drunk to write (if that was even possible?) I seem to recall that at some point he realized his shortcomings and tried to get better? This arranging shit isn't easy, there's more to it than just filling up space with generic action figure discards, right? I don't know much about him, or what he did later. I think I have him on an Anita O'Day record also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: I became aware of Bregman through the Ella Fitzgerald Cole Porter and Rodgers & Hart Songbooks. I instantly thought the arrangements were subpar. The best are serviceable, and the worst sound dated and old-fashioned. I don't think Bregman had a very good harmonic instinct. I found out only later that he was a relative of Norman Granz. Having friends and relatives in high places always helps. To this day, those are my two least favorite Ella Songbook albums, and that's too bad, because they are among my favorite songwriters of that crowd. Bregman's uncle (on his mother's side) was composer Jule Styne ("Gypsy," etc. ). Bregman wasn't related to Granz, but the connection with Styne carried some weight in getting him those gigs. He sure was a drag musically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) Jeez, don't y'all have this masterpiece Edited August 26, 2022 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Larry Kart said: Bregman's uncle was composer Jule Styne ("Gypsy," etc. ). Bregman wasn't related to Granz, but the connection with Styne carried some weight in getting him those gigs. He sure was a drag musically. Thanks for clarifying. I knew there was a famous relative! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 If Jule Styne himself had written those charts, they would have been better. And if Jule felt he didn't have the chops, he would have hired Billy Byers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Larry Kart said: If Jule Styne himself had written those charts, they would have been better. And if Jule felt he didn't have the chops, he would have hired Billy Byers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: Jeez, don't y'all have this masterpiece Is that this Julie Styne chick I keep hearing about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Is that this Julie Styne chick I keep hearing about? Sorry, that should have been Jule Styne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Larry Kart said: Sorry, that should have been Jule Styne. Didn't Frank call him Julie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 It's pronounced that way, but he's a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 That's a guy on that album cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Larry Kart said: It's pronounced that way, but he's a guy. OK. I didn't know if the name was technically pronounced "jool" and "Julie" was a nickname. But that makes sense. Like guys named Angelo who go by Angie. Edited August 26, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 53 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: Like guys named Angelo who go by Angie. They all have a mancrush on Mick Jagger, they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, JSngry said: They all have a mancrush on Mick Jagger, they do. Like Jimmy Smith's man-crush on Alain Delon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 Did you know that Jimmy Smith paled a janitor on one or two episodes of the first Bill Cosby Show? The one where he played a coach named Chet Kincaide. His character's name was "Jim". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Teasing the Korean said: OK. I didn't know if the name was technically pronounced "jool" and "Julie" was a nickname. But that makes sense. Like guys named Angelo who go by Angie. IIRC, one of the key hoodlums in "Guys and Dolls" was Big Jule, pronounced with a long "e." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, JSngry said: Did you know that Jimmy Smith paled a janitor on one or two episodes of the first Bill Cosby Show? The one where he played a coach named Chet Kincaide. His character's name was "Jim". Did not know that! 54 minutes ago, Larry Kart said: IIRC, one of the key hoodlums in "Guys and Dolls" was Big Jule, pronounced with a long "e." Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 Then there was Andy Taylor, whom Barney Fife always called "Ange". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 The way I hear Don Knotts pronouncing it is more like "And" . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 Nope! https://www.glossyfied.com/why-did-barney-call-andy-taylor-ange/ http://knoxblogs.com/volhistorian/2012/07/07/is_it_really_ange/ https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Vintage-Classic-Andy-Griffith-Ange-Halloween-by-MarshawaParkins/87731789.IJ6L0.XYZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) On 8/25/2022 at 8:17 PM, Teasing the Korean said: I don't know much about him, or what he did later. I think I have him on an Anita O'Day record also. Funny you mention this, TTK. Last night I was randomly pulling up albums that I have backed up on my hard drive. I pulled up a seldom-spun Anita O'Day record on Verve titled Anita. I'm listening and I'm thinking, "Wow, these arrangements are really subpar." So I waddled over to the jazz/pop vocal section of my CD library, pulled out the album, and lo and behold, it was arranged by none other than our old friend Buddy Bregman. Edited November 9, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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