Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Have listened to quite a bit of Matthew Shipp's pomo experiments and beautiful musical journeys on his Blue Series brand of Thirsty Ear records and am curious for any recommendations of his works prior. While i'm no out and "out" Cecil Taylor fan I would appreciate some recs for a more accesible approach to maybe some of his HatHut pieces. I have only heard his string trio work with Maneri (not so inclined) and I guess I'm more apt to maybe move toward his trios with Ibarra and Parker?? Is there one master work before the millenium that you might say is a must have?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Multiplication Table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Multiplication Table. I have only heard that band live, and the disc is OOP and pretty difficult to find, it seems (I don't have it), but I tend to agree - it would be a good introduction to his earlier work, I think. Btw, sometimes it was not Ibarra on drums but someone called Walt Dickey (an album of this trio was reissued on HatOLOGY, I have it but did not yet listen to it). I find the duo with Mat Maneri, "Gravitational Systems", rather good, too, though I'd check out some trio stuff first. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Another thumbs up from me. http://www.zweitausendeins.de/ have a couple of good 'uns going cheap - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 The last one was reissued on Hat, that's the one with Dickey. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) Multiplication Table it is then... been scouring and thought i'd share this little Amazon insight into the man's music. All Customer Reviews Average Customer Review: Write an online review and share your thoughts with other customers. 2 of 11 people found the following review helpful: The music is the man, January 21, 2004 Reviewer:Â kennisi (see more about me)Â from Hong Kong China I lived in the same East Village building with this guy for over a decade, never said hello once or even nodded. The hell with him. Edited May 7, 2004 by Man with the Golden Arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Multiplication Table it is then... been scouring and thought i'd share this little Amazon insight into the man's music. All Customer Reviews Average Customer Review: Write an online review and share your thoughts with other customers. 2 of 11 people found the following review helpful: The music is the man, January 21, 2004 Reviewer:Â kennisi (see more about me)Â from Hong Kong China I lived in the same East Village building with this guy for over a decade, never said hello once or even nodded. The hell with him. So: 1. The music is the man 2. The man never communicates follows: the music does not communicate. q.e.d. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 ... and then there is this one about Pastoral Composure: tar star of wonderous electric flow braining peonies, February 4, 2001 Reviewer: james bmeranlz from Fort Choad, Washington If I could dance a chicken like a spoon through jello, I might lick the salt from Shipp's wounds. Shipp's songs, wonderous melodies of harmonious cacophonous assualt, assuage and soothe the spirits. Like a ship come home from stoooooormy seas, Shipp's newest CD proves to be one his most mature, revealing in its complicated aural offerings a picture of his growth. As I said, If I could light a kettle of fish with a worm grape I might find the pock marks on my uncle's head. Lifting riffs of music man come from Shipp....i think i just wore out my finger prints snapping along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Multiplication Table it is then... Autumn leaves will never be the same again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Multiplication Table it is then... Autumn leaves will never be the same again. Gary, is "Summertime" on the CD? I have that one broadcast where they play four tunes only, "Summertime" among them. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) Jazz Loft has Multiplication Table listed on their site as available for $11.99. Multiplication Table. I say grab it while you can. It is my favorite of everything I have heard under Shipp's name. I have not been overwhelmed by the thirsty ear recordings, but everything I have heard by the trio with Parker and Ibarra including a couple of radio broadcasts is satisfying. Edited May 7, 2004 by relyles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 I hate to be a nattering nabob of negitivity, but I did not like Multiplication Table. I thought that Shipp was trying to make a Grand Statement, and failed. To my ears, the music was unfocused and too clever. I usually like remakes of standards, but I really did not like "C Jam Blues" or "Take the A Train", Shipp was trying too hard to be different. However I love what he does in the "String Trio" recordings, especially By the Law of Music, which I cannot get enough of. There's no denying Shipp's talent, I do, at times, question his musical choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Multiplication Table it is then... Autumn leaves will never be the same again. Gary, is "Summertime" on the CD? I have that one broadcast where they play four tunes only, "Summertime" among them. ubu No Ubu its not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Thanks, Gary. I think he does A-Train and maybe also C-Jam on that broadcast I have, too. How about his solo playing? ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I'd never made any headway with By the Law of Music but maye that's just me. It seemed to me a bit po-faced. The Multiplication Table still seems to be around in various places. Cadence still stocks it, for instance. Never heard it. "Someone named Whit Dickey"? He may be less celebrated than Ibarra but he's a terrific drummer (one wishes the David S Ware group would ditch Mr Brown & return to Dickey....). Try his Prophet Moon with Brown & Morris for a taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I'd never made any headway with By the Law of Music but maye that's just me. It seemed to me a bit po-faced. The Multiplication Table still seems to be around in various places. Cadence still stocks it, for instance. Never heard it. "Someone named Whit Dickey"? He may be less celebrated than Ibarra but he's a terrific drummer (one wishes the David S Ware group would ditch Mr Brown & return to Dickey....). Try his Prophet Moon with Brown & Morris for a taste. I never heard Ware - and until I got that Shipp disc, I never heard of Dickey, either, sorry. That was not to imply that he was no good! And then I was not sure about his name when I wrote that post (and too lazy to go to AMG). ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 What Shipp / Ware disc? ubu? I see that Shipp, Parker and Guillermo Brown have a disc coming : Nate... be interested to get your take on the bestest Ware of em all. I've liked several cuts off of the few of his sides I have heard (flight of i, gospellized, go see the world) but I have to be in such a 'mood' that I don't go there as often as I should. And of all of Shipp's ThirstyEar discs I have to say that after it all wears off a bit, "Equilibrium" will stand up as my go to session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Not terribly well-acquainted with Ware, I'm afraid. I think I got turned off because the one concert I saw was genuinely terrible (in Victoriaville in the mid-1990s--Ware was on crutches & spaced out, Dickey was just about to get kicked out of the band. It's a bad sign when from the stage Ware announced at the end of the concert that you've been listening to the "David S Ware Trio".). I have Go See the World & it's pretty good though it's somehow not music that I feel strongly about....yet, anyway (I just got it actually, from a sales bin in Chapters). I'm told that Flight of i & Godspelized are the other two to get, though unfortunately the DIWs seem to be out of print. At one point I decided I'd give Ware a 2nd chance & signed up to review his next disc...& then what does he do but release Threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 What Shipp / Ware disc? ubu? No Ware/Shipp, Man - I was referring to "Prism", the Shipp trio recording with Dickey. I think the only Ware I have in on that Enja Cecil Taylor disc. The band without bass and Mark Edwards on drums. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinger Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 It's good to read about nice Matthew Ship cds. I'm going to see him live in July with Joe McPhee.I'm also going to attend one of his solo concerts as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted May 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 I used to, and thankfully have not had it for a while, this re-occurring dream that I blew off an intense calculus test in high school, subsequently failing me and thus prior to not being able to graduate I wake up in a sweat. Well, I just received "Multiplication Table" yesterday from a DMG sale and put it through one spin. That nightmare was back. PM me if interested in a freshly spun but mint copy. I'll be out clapping erasers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Gary, is "Summertime" on the CD? I have that one broadcast where they play four tunes only, "Summertime" among them. ubu "Summertime" is on Zo which has since been reissued on Thirsty Ear. It originally came out on some tiny label called Rise in 1994. Duet session w/ Parker. Very good. One of the few Shipp sessions that I held onto, frankly. His take on "Summertime" (both on this record and live) is distictly Ivesian, as he employs the very same dissonnances that make Ives' work so singular. Recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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