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I had the pleasure of seeing this lovely guitar (oh and Mr. Martino!) up close and personal at Yoshi's this past Saturday. The Pat Martino Trio (Pat Bianchi on Hammond B3, Carmen Intorre, Jr. on drums) was in smashing form, 90 minutes of bliss. Boy, Pat hasn't lost a step, he gets better with age, and I was just so impressed with Bianchi and Intorre, two remarkable young musicians. They brought down the house. We had great seats right up front; during the first tune I looked to my left and there was John Scofield sitting unobtrusively at a table next to ours, thoroughly enjoying the proceedings (interesting that nobody else seemed to notice). Martino never announced Sco but looked directly at him and smiled twice, announcing two "requests" they had received from "someone" in the audience (early in the set, Shorter's "Footprints," and then the set closer Wes Montgomery's "Full House"), with Sco nodding subtly and smiling back in response. A magical evening - so glad I finally got to see Martino. Anyway it is again a lovely axe. I agree with jazzbo that much of the sound Martino gets comes from within/his fingers, but also think the axe and even moreso his use of a Marhsall cabinet (quite unusual in my experience for a jazz guitarist of his era) probably do contribute some to his chunky, slighty grainy/midrangy tone (lest those sound like negatives, I don't find them to be - he has a very pleasant and refreshingly different sound).

Hard to believe we've reached the Big 100, but here we are! I had the great honor of starting this ball rolling with BFT 1 back in 2003 (yes, 2003 - my first son, now almost 9, had just been born, my second, now 4, was not yet even a gleam in the eye - I'm getting choked up just thinking about it!). I honestly never thought this would still be going strong all these years later. Thanks so much to jeffcrom for inviting me to come back for BFT 100. Lemme know if you want in for this one, and also whether you prefer download (jeffcrom has created the download page and I can PM you the link) or disc. Let's make number 100 the best showing ever, and get enough momentum going to sustain the next 100 BFTs!!!

I just wanted to keep this thread alive - having started it (rather astonishingly to me) 8 years ago!!! Can't believe it's been that long, but I'm glad it still gets dredged up periodically when people sight one or more of these in the used bins. I started it when my first son was just born, he's now in third grade! Still enjoying the hell out of this series of CDs, btw. Over time the Konitz MOTION 3 CD set, Lateef's BEFORE DAWN, the CLARK TERRY debut, GIUFFRE and ELLIS, Edison's THE SWINGER/MR. SWING, the Walt Dickerson (terrific), and Tea's THINK WELL OF ME have probably gotten the most time in the player, but I revisit just about all of them on occasion.

Very hard CD to find these days, other than as a "CD-R on demand" copy on Amazon. Superb album, with the Woody Shaw on trumpet - one of Bobby's best. This copy is in great shape, NM disc, booklet NM, but does have a saw cut through the spine of the jewel box that goes into the tray card. $25 which includes shipping within the US. For buyers outside the US - we'll figure the cost of shipping to your location, and then I'll knock off $3 from the total, so you'd be getting a similar break on shipping as would US buyers. PayPal payment only please. PM with interest. Thanks for looking!

I have several of the volumes from each of these series up on eBay right now: Volumes 1 and 2 in the Sarah Vaughan series, and Volumes 1, 2, 3 and 5 in the Dinah Washington series. Here's a link to one of the Sarah Vaughan listings, you can use the link in the listing to view my other listings: Link to listing I listed Buy it Now prices, but these are also no reserve auctions, so you might be able to get a darn good deal on some of these by going that route, since so far nobody's bidding.

I voted "other." Probably a toss up between Richard Davis and Fred Hopkins. I've always liked George Mraz as well, and Chuck Domanico. Heck there are dozens of great bassists not listed here that would be in the running. I can't view Haden in a very favorable light anymore after I took a day off work and drove to SF expressly to see him with Bobby Hutcherson and George Cables at Yoshi's earlier this year for a disaster of a show. Most of the issues seemed related to Haden. You can read a review of this show here, and it's spot on in my view: My link

OK here are my comments - sorry for the delay, been really busy: 1. No idea who it is, but enjoyable. I also know this song - but can't think of the title, it's a crossover soul classic hit, right on the tip of my tongue. I think they do it justice, bringing in a new angle. I do feel the piece doesn't quite deliver fully on the initial promise - the band comes storming out of the gate with a very locked in rhythm section, but some of the solos are rather routine. The last alto solo though is pretty superb. Love the use of tuba. Will be interested to see who this is, I'm sure on a good day for the soloists these guys would be incredible to see. 2. Ummm...not my thing. This is the only piece I hit the forward button on before finishing. 3. Lou Donaldson with Charles Earland, Jimmy Ponder, and Leo Morris, playing "Summertime," this is from the SAY IT LOUD! album on Blue Note, I have this on vinyl. SUPERB. Love it. 5 stars. This is a just a great, floating treatment of this tune, makes me visualize a very lazy, hot summer day. 4. This is an odd, odd piece. The guitar in the left channel and clarinet on the right sound like they were recorded on two different continents several decades apart. Were they? I DO NOT like the guitar on this...too much meaningless filigree, plays over the lovely simple clarinet lines to the point of distraction. No idea who it is. The guitar SOUND is not unlike Joe Pass, but I've never heard Joe play this tastelessly, doubt it's him. 5. I enjoyed this a lot. Really nice full alto sound, not sure who it is though. Sonny Stitt? Whoever it is has real command of the horn. 6. Hodges type sound on alto, but I don't think it's Hodges, not quite "sweet" sounding enough. Willie Smith? Sounds like someone from that era. Enjoyable. Positively AWASH in reverb, what's up with that? 7. "Green Onions" right? Here, unlike with Track 1, all this one makes me want to do is hear the original. This cover doesn't do it for me. Too sterile, needs more GREAZE. 8. I'm terrible with song names - I think this is a classic Glenn Miller tune but I can't think of which. Anyway, this was quite enjoyable, but again I'm not sure who it was. Charles McPherson or again Sonny Stitt (don't think so)? Don Patterson on organ? I liked this, but what's with the crazy heavy reverb again? 9. Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? I'm not against use of unconventional instruments in jazz but this just didn't grab me, felt like a lighthearted novelty. 10. Enjoyable - no idea who it is, will be interested to see - I could explore more of this. 11. This had a nice relaxed groove but grew tiresome for me. The harmonica constantly whinging in the left speaker drove me to distraction. 12. Maiden Voyage - this is going to I'm sure be a big puzzler, I'm a bit stumped. The tenor sounds a bit like Harold Land, beefy and slightly nasal quality, but I don't think it's him. I'm really looking forward to finding out the identity of the players. Enjoyable though not a superb cover either. Could it possibly be the version from Grant Green's ALIVE recording with Claude Bartee on tenor and Neal Creque or Ronnie Foster on organ? (I have that CD in my collection but didn't think of it until after leaving for work this morning so couldn't listen to see) 13. I LOVED this. 100 stars. Swung like mad, great playing by all. Is this a recording by Clarence Williams, who I believe introduced this tune? I will buy this in a heartbeat when I find out. 14. Not really into this - I'm not a big fan of this type of funked-up jazz, feels like neither fish nor flesh to me - pick one or the other and do it well etc. 15. Sounded like they were humorously sending up jazz/rock stuff or something. Lester Bowie on trumpet? So at least a couple of things I will need to buy when I find out WHAT to buy. This was a very nicely paced disc, great car listening, thanks!

Hee hee hee...it's nothing that dire, my friend - I'm putting the money toward a new Dynavector 17D3 MC phono cartridge. But thanks for your support, it's the thought that counts. This grows tiresome, in the extreme. Never mind. Sale here closed, no longer offered. I'm taking this to eBay and will get the original $150 I paid for it, I'm confident. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to try and be a nice/reasonable person and try and offer an OOP Mosaic for 20% less than what it is selling for elsewhere. The only way to please some folks here is to give something away and take a $50-100 loss. Sorry guys, it will be a cold day in hell before that happens. Unbelievable.

Thanks very much Chuck - and your post was totally fine with me by the way - neutral and accurate as usual.

First of all it's patently unlikely that anyone here doesn't know that this material is available elsewhere. And I most certainly did not portray the set as containing unreleased material. It's really not my duty as someone listing an item for sale to include the phrase "All material in this set is available elsewhere," particularly on a Forum like this one where we have very knowledgeable people. And I'm sorry you couldn't swing the money for this set, crying shame, but really that's not relevant in the least. Second of all, by my pricing on a quick Amazon perusal, for non-trashed copies: Return of Art Pepper - $10-15 (hard to tell from listings which are trashed/missing stuff, but to be safe probably $15) Modern Art - $10 minimum The Art of Pepper - $30 minimum - and possibly a lot more Fresh Sound disc with the Perkins stuff on it - $10. Plus keep in mind this is from Fresh Sound and their source tapes aren't always first generation Oh and I forgot you need Artistry of Pepper too to get "What Is this Thing Called Love" I believe (and let me tell you, you want this track - it's superb) - so another $6-10 or so - it's not on the Fresh Sound disc. Shipping about $3 each - so you're up to around $80-85 easy, assuming all goes well with the orders and you don't get trashed stuff from Amazon's used listings and have to return one or more or buy another copy to get a keeper (which often happens in my experience with Amazon), and you may not be getting some of the material in the best possible transfers. To buy all these CDs in as new condition - which is the condition of my Pepper Mosaic - would I'm certain cost closer to $100 unless you are prepared to look for a long, long time. PLUS regardless, you wouldn't get the nice Mosaic booklet and box and the collectibility of Mosaic. I will GUARANTEE you it's never going to go DOWN appreciably in value within our lifetimes. Gee, thanks for the wonderful public misinformation "service"...

Thanks Hans! The issue here is that it is a complete Mosaic set that is OOP, has 24 bit mastering which some people prefer to the older lower sampling rate 1980s CDs, and is selling routinely on eBay and Amazon for $150...in fact I paid $150 for my copy, because I am a Pepper and Mosaic junkie (and suspect I'm in good company in that regard) and badly wanted to hear this after it went suddenly OOP. So I'm actually taking a $30 loss in offering at $120, in the interest of not gratuitously gouging my fellow Organissimo forum members, but I'm also no fool - I'm not going to lose more than that just to be a nice guy. BTW, did you realize that while you were wasting your time and mine griping about a listing you have no interest in, you could have been shopping for a life? Get on it, man!

Art Pepper – Mosaic Select #15 Out of print and unfortunately quite scarce Discs all M-, outer box Ex, booklet M-, tray cards M- $120 plus $5 shipping within the U.S. Will negotiate shipping at time of sale for folks outside the U.S. PayPal payment only please.

Interesting. I was personally pretty disappointed with the Cisco TAKIN' OFF. Quiet surface yes but I don't like the EQ choices (or perhaps its the way the master tape sounds and it could have USED some EQ help), bright and thin sounding to me. Kevin Gray is normally an outstanding mastering engineer but I think he just missed it with this one. The MM 45 rpm albums are indeed expensive but I feel miles better sounding - Kevin collaborates with Steve Hoffman on the mastering of those and they have a much nicer, warmer, expansive sound as is characteristic for Hoffman's mastering style.

Horace Silver - THE TOKYO BLUES (BN) Grant Green - MATADOR (BN) Both from the Music Matters 45 rpm reissue series The Fourth Way - THE SUN AND MOON HAVE COME TOGETHER (Harvest)

You might want to check in with a "shrink" yourself to get help with your own obvious psychopathologies - "out of proportion hostile reactions to musicians' behavior quirks disorder" and "gross oversimplification of complex issues syndrome." Well I have to say Dan I disagree - I think it's MOSTLY about jealousy and the perverse norms and culture of jazz aficionados. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this, but it's the damn truth: if Jarrett was a commercially unsuccessful black jazz artist from "the glory years" and had displayed exactly the same bizarre behavior, I can guarantee you that the conversation would be a lot different, with all kinds of people defending his actions and making excuses for him. Sometimes this place makes me want to break out in a big grin. A group "intervention" - let's force him to friggin' DEAL with it, once and for all. I'm in.

Joe Pass will soon be in the house.

I'm going to definitely pick up the Threadgill box, very excited to get the e-mail from Jazzloft about this a few days ago. I have only a couple Threadgill titles in my collection currently but enjoy them quite a lot. I'm planning to do pretty much just what Jim mentioned earlier in this thread - pick up the Black Saint/Soul Note and Mosaic Threadgill boxes and begin to explore his fascinating music in earnest.

I enjoy Jarrett's recorded music - have since the early days, and continue to. Guess that makes me extremely unfashionable around here, but so be it. I don't plan on seeing him live - don't feel compelled. I don't condone these rants in the least but I also don't think they should be the defining moments of a very long and productive career. I could pretty much care less if Jarrett's got a massive ego. So did/do a lot of artists. Not to mention that there has been MUCH worse stuff than Jarrett's ego trips perpetrated by many of the departed and still living jazz artists whose assess are regularly kissed around here. Also people making comments like "I'll just listen to a Bill Evans record" display their ignorance. Say what you want about Jarrett, like him or not, but he sounds nothing like Bill Evans. Sure there's an INFLUENCE but it's just plain stupid to imply that listening to Jarrett is like listening to Bill Evans. There is the strong whiff of jealousy in all these negative comments. It happens any time someone in jazz makes it big in terms of wider recognition and sales and a sweet contract with a high profile label. Slap that man down, put him back where he belongs - God forbid one of our own has a little commercial success; that's grounds for being run out of town on a rail. No way can we afford to have a bona fide jazz artist make it big...'cause then we can't all walk around with chips on our shoulders and tears in our eyes, lamenting the fact that our music is "dying" but feeling ever so good about ourselves because we are the "last defenders of the faith." It's clear that people's comments aren't just in reaction to his latest rants - Jarrett's "fashionability index" has been dropping steadily as his wider popularity has grown. That's the way of the jazz world, folks. Ain't it grand? And about the rants - has anyone stopped to seriously consider that he really MAY be having some major mental health issues? Those reviews certainly read like it to me - his comments to the audiences certainly don't sound like the comments of someone who's fully hanging on at this point. A long successful career isn't a magic antidote against mental illness. He had a long bout with the controversial "chronic fatigue syndrome" previously, which is frankly often (though not always) diagnosed only as a more palatable label for severe depression. How about giving the guy the benefit of the doubt until we're all sure we know what we're talking about? Sometimes this place makes me fucking want to puke.

I'm in...would appreciate a disc if possible, please. Will PM you my address.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!!!!! You may now play track 24 to celebrate your match! Outstanding stuff...going to pick this one up for sure! Good luck! I don't know that it's ever been available on CD domestically. And that is why the Great Power made used VINYL!

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!!!!! You may now play track 24 to celebrate your match! Outstanding stuff...going to pick this one up for sure!

I have the Savoy 2LP set SECOND NATURE Brownie mentions and it's great, but I'd like to have it collected in a well-done CD box. The Denon/Savoy CDs with this material are good but not great sounding. Probably crazy to many, but for me material this good enough that it's worthy of the Mosaic treatment. And I'm not sure one can assume that just because no alternates or outtakes appeared on SECOND NATURE that none exist. Mosaic has repeatedly found new tapes when assembling their boxes that nobody knew existed or that had been assumed to be long lost. Anyway, I'll shut up now, because clearly there are a lot of people who DON'T like the idea of a Select with this material.

But I don't think it IS a huge difference. You're totally and obviously entitled to your opinions about some other player's choices, and being passionate about it is wonderful. But nonetheless, when you start implying not so subtly as you have that there is some objective artistic standard that says unequivocally that they are wankers because of the choices they have made, that doesn't fly for me. If I wanted that type of thinking, I'd read the Collected Wynton Marsalis Liner Notes of Stanley Crouch, Vols. 1-12.

Tell it brother! Seriously though, I couldn't agree more. If someone is inclined to work that hard promulgating their world view, why waste time hanging around here? Go run for political office, there's plenty of lost sheep out there looking to be led.