mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 "he was no surface hipster" - this I see as something of a contradiction - as I believe the hipster to be, ultimately, lacking in depth - depth in your world, maybe......obviously you're no hipster, and it shouldn't take someone 30 years to determine if they don't like someone........why don't you tell us who your opposite of Dex is, the guy who goes as "deep" as you'd like, the guy whose not under the influence of Robitussen, whoops excuse me, I meant heroin.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Jim, I have to agree with your point of view here. There are those who play at being hip, and there are those who just are hip. Dexter was certainly among the latter. But the issue of hipness is irrelevant. For me, Dexter is one of the great individual voices in jazz, one of the first major jazz musicians I was lucky to see in person when I was 19, and a musician who I have loved and admired for over 40 years. Whenever Steeplechase comes out with yet another live recording or broadcast, I'm there, I so love Dexter. If Allen doesn't hear it, and I've had many conversations with Allen about a wide variety of music over the years, and I respect his opinion, so be it. Nothing he says is gonna convince me of anything - Dexter has been my "friend" for a long long time! Jim accurately points out a handful of lesser performances in the Dexter discography, but man, these are so few among hundreds of masterpieces that Dexter has given us. I love his musical demeanor - laid back, laconic, playful, but underneath he conveys tremendous passion to me. How can anybody not be moved by a performance like "I Guess I'll Hang My Tears Out To Dry" (from Go)? A problem I have with these kinds of discussions is that sometimes too much is said - I just sit back bemused that people feel a need to debate what many of us consider to be the truth, and while I follow these discussions, I rarely feel the need to join in. I hadda chime in here - Dexter is "my main man"! extremely well stated.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 didn't gordon also steal woody shaw's woman??? wasn't this something that helped shaw along on his journey into despair? that isn't cool and makes it easy for me to believe he did have some darkness in his soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 didn't gordon also steal woody shaw's woman??? wasn't this something that helped shaw along on his journey into despair? that isn't cool and makes it easy for me to believe he did have some darkness in his soul. Dex didn't have to steal women. Women stole him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 "Piano Red, if you can figure what this guy allen lowe is talking about, let me know........." that's funny Mr "Jazzman" - about 25 other people in this thread, agree or not, seem to understand - from what i've read, piano red is not one of the 25........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 but than again, you seem to enjoy reading Scott Yanow - the least knowledgable jazz critic in the universe - you left out the "IMHO"................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 but than again, you seem to enjoy reading Scott Yanow - the least knowledgable jazz critic in the universe - AMG doesn't seem to share you feelings on mr. yanow because as i've said, he seems to review 99% of the hard bop stuff............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Mr. Jazzman - what is going on here? Some benzadrene in your ovaltine? How can I keep up with your eloquent indictments of my opinions and your perceptive observations - yes, I must be on drugs or something. And don't talk about Art Pepper: I met Art Pepper, I knew Art Pepper - and you, sir, are NO Art Pepper - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 on the other hand...you do remind me of Scott Yanow - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 zing! i admire how you eloquently retorted a whole page of attacks with one post, mr. lowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 And don't talk about Art Pepper: I met Art Pepper, I knew Art Pepper - and you, sir, are NO Art Pepper - I talked with him serveral times at Donte's and Maiden Voyage. Art Pepper was one STRANGE dude, that's for damn sure. Other than being the greatest alto player I have ever heard live, there's not a whole lot of nice things I can say about Art Pepper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Just for fun, I went back to the very first post in this thread, jus to remind myself how it started. There were few small talks about the guy but no general discussion. Please write your opinions about him, personal favorites out of his huge discography... Well, I think we've solved that problem in spades! Then I noticed that Alon's signature tag was "Talk Less, Say More" Hmmm... I think we're batting .500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Mr. Jazzman - what is going on here? Some benzadrene in your ovaltine? How can I keep up with your eloquent indictments of my opinions and your perceptive observations - yes, I must be on drugs or something. And don't talk about Art Pepper: I met Art Pepper, I knew Art Pepper - and you, sir, are NO Art Pepper - Excuse me, maybe Pepper's heroin was whiter than Dex's........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 My dad played trumpet with Dave Burns in Dizzy Gillespie's band of the late 40's And this makes you what - an authority? :bwallace2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Mr. Jazzman - what is going on here? Some benzadrene in your ovaltine? How can I keep up with your eloquent indictments of my opinions and your perceptive observations - yes, I must be on drugs or something. And don't talk about Art Pepper: I met Art Pepper, I knew Art Pepper - and you, sir, are NO Art Pepper - I met Dexter Gordon, I knew Dexter Gordon - and you, sir, are NO Dexter Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjazzman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 My dad played trumpet with Dave Burns in Dizzy Gillespie's band of the late 40's And this makes you what - an authority? :bwallace2: No, it makes me the son of a trumpet player who played with Dave Burns in Dizzy Gillespie's band of the late 40's............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 My dad played trumpet with Dave Burns in Dizzy Gillespie's band of the late 40's And this makes you what - an authority? :bwallace2: No, it makes me the son of a trumpet player who played with Dave Burns in Dizzy Gillespie's band of the late 40's............... Er, isn't that the same as being the son of someone who played trumpet in Dizzy Gilespie's band? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Time for all concerned to take a pill, and stop being one. I knew Art Pepper and Dexter Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 By the way, DEX is the only musician that have SEEN in concert but no HEARD. He was (in the middle of the afternoon) to drank to play. He was sitting on a chair during the entire performance and didn't blow a single note (it was around 1975 or something like that). Kind of similar to the one time I saw Dexter live. It was sometime in the late 70s or early 80s at the Vanguard. I caught the last set (mistake) on a weekday night. Dexter with Eddie Gladden, Kirl Lightsey, and Dave Eubanks. Dexter looked wasted and just played the heads (well enough) and let the sidemen blow. I dig Dexter on record. I was disapointed that I didn't reallyget to hear him play, but at least I did get to see him and I'm glad of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 In a big way, the Columbia deal was the worst thing that could happen to him. Unlimited time, lots of spare cash and a bunch of folks running around trying to keep him happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Unlimited time, lots of spare cash and a bunch of folks running around trying to keep him happy. Nice work if you can get it . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) Dexter Gordon? Damn, I thought this thread was about Dave Dexter - Dexter Gordon's one of my favorites - Edited January 7, 2006 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Dexter Gordon? Damn, I thought this thread was about Dave Dexter - Dexter Gordon's one of my favorites - So, is Allen running away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 well, I have been offered a place in the Organissimo witness protection program - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCity Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Wait...Dexter Gordon? I thought this thread was about Ruth Gordon! I dig Dexter, but Ruthy couldn't swing for shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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