vote for your Blue Note Desert Island Discs

[J Larsen]

"depends on who's doing the rating" -- what does THAT mean??

Well, say that 'The Real McCoy' were to show up here five times, which could understandably happen. It's a real nice album. Now say someone were to come on here and say that 'The Real McCoy' is the greatest album that's ever been released. That would certainly overrate the case for it, even if it, very possibly deservedly, were picked on 5-6 lists here.

And that is exactly my problem with the "overrating" concept - it is a judgment call about someone else's taste. If someone thinkgs that The Real McCoy is the best album ever, then it is - TO THEM! Look, I'm a physicist with an egghead number crunching job, and even I don't understand why people feel a need to superimpose some quasi-objective ranking framework on art. It is a matter of personal taste. Someone out there CAN legitimately feel that The Real McCoy is the best record of all time.

Now, if you want to talk about jazz records popular amongst connoisseurs that I don't personally get in to, I've got a long list, but I'm not going to claim that any of them are overrated.

[JSngry]

Not even ONE??? (Just one???)

Ok - just one.

Accent On The Blues

[Rooster_Ties]

RT, I think you're trying (way) too hard to find "truths" in all of this. Seriously.

Oh, I know. By (me) trying to take it all WAY too seriously, that just helps point out the absurdity of it all.

But half seriously -- it is kinda fun to contemplate the relative meaning of Andrew Hill's "Point of Departure" being mentioned QUITE frequently in this thread, and ALSO quite a few times in the "overrated" thread.

(And even I don't count POD as one my favorite Hill dates -- though I do really like it.)

[Rooster_Ties]

Not even ONE??? (Just one???)

Ok - just one.

Accent On The Blues

One down, nine to go!!!

[felser]

"depends on who's doing the rating" -- what does THAT mean??

Well, say that 'The Real McCoy' were to show up here five times, which could understandably happen. It's a real nice album. Now say someone were to come on here and say that 'The Real McCoy' is the greatest album that's ever been released. That would certainly overrate the case for it, even if it, very possibly deservedly, were picked on 5-6 lists here.

And that is exactly my problem with the "overrating" concept - it is a judgment call about someone else's taste. If someone thinkgs that The Real McCoy is the best album ever, then it is - TO THEM! Look, I'm a physicist with an egghead number crunching job, and even I don't understand why people feel a need to superimpose some quasi-objective ranking framework on art. It is a matter of personal taste. Someone out there CAN legitimately feel that The Real McCoy is the best record of all time.

Now, if you want to talk about jazz records popular amongst connoisseurs that I don't personally get in to, I've got a long list, but I'm not going to claim that any of them are overrated.

Good, because I'm much more interested in discussing "jazz records popular amongst connoisseurs that I don't personally get in to" with you than I am in hearing an argument on the semantics of "overrated".

[felser]

Not even ONE??? (Just one???)

Ok - just one.

Accent On The Blues

Jim, for having absolutely no interest in this thread, you sure post to it a lot!

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Not even ONE??? (Just one???)

Ok - just one.

Accent On The Blues

Jim, for having absolutely no interest in this thread, you sure post to it a lot!

But, if I recall croeectly, Jim said he had no interest in formulating a desert island 10, not in the thread as such.

That's a good word, I think I'll leave it like that.

MG

[sheldonm]

Not even ONE??? (Just one???)

Ok - just one.

Accent On The Blues

Jim, for having absolutely no interest in this thread, you sure post to it a lot!

...no kidding.....come on Jim, it looks like some people may not be able to sleep until you post them.......pretty please!!!

m~

[Quincy]

Did anybody vote for the Eminent J.J. Johnson? (I would pick volume 1)

I came oh so close, but then I remembered I packed my Mosaics and will just have to make do with the Columbia set.

[tonym]

I may as well have a go:

Andrew Hill --- Grass Roots

Wayne Shorter --- Et Cetera

Wayne Shorter --- The Soothsayer

Jackie MacLean --- Destination Out

Joe Henderson --- Inner Urge

Eric Dolphy --- Out To Lunch

Tina Brooks --- Back To The Tracks

Jimmy Smith --- The Sermon (the version with Au Privave and Flamingo)

Grant Green --- Idle Moments

Herbie Hancock --- Maiden Voyage

[Peter Friedman]

In alphabetical order;

Art Blakey At The Cafe Bohemia, Volume One

Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin'

John Coltrane - Blue Trane

Dexter Gordon - Doin' Allright

Thad Jones - Detroit-New York Junction

Jackie McLean - Bluesnik

Hank Mobley - Roll Call

J.R. Monterose

Sonny Rollins - Newk's Time

Horace Silver - Finger Poppin'

[Brownian Motion]

Here's what I'd take if I were leaving today:

In no particular order -

Port of Harlem Jazzmen - ok, it's a Mosaic LP, but it's Blue Note material

I second this.

Also, any Blue Note sides by Sidney Bechet or the Blue Note Jazzmen.

[White Lightning]

OK, here are my picks. It will change right after I post it:

1. Hank Mobley – Soulstation

2. Tina Brooks – True Blue

3. Grant Green – idle moments

4. Ike Quebec, It Might As Well Be Spring

5. Joe Henderson – Inner Urge

6. Art Blakey, A Night at Birdland, Volume 1

7. Curtis Fuller - Bone & Bari

8. Leo Parker, Let Me Tell You ’Bout It

9. Dizzy Star Bright

10. J.J. Johnson – the Eminent vol.1

[sidewinder]

A nigh-on impossible task but here we go:

1. Hank Mobley 'Soul Station'

2. Hank Mobley 'No Room For Squares'

3. Bobby Hutcherson 'Happenings' (honourable mention 'Oblique')

4. Horace Silver 'The Tokyo Blues' (honourable mention 'The Jody Grind)

5. Grachan Moncur III 'Evolution' (near run with 'Some Other Stuff')

6. Jackie McLean 'Destination Out' (near run with just about all of his other BN albums)

7. Larry Young 'Unity' (neck and neck really with 'Into Something')

8. Lee Morgan 'Search For The New Land' (just pipped 'The Sidewinder')

9. Andrew Hill 'Compulsion' (highly under-rated)

10. Joe Henderson 'Inner Urge' (difficult to decide between any of his albums, and the ones with Dorham, really)

11. Sam Rivers 'Fuchsia Swing Song' (woops....)

Edited December 10, 2006 by sidewinder

[tonym]

11. Sam Rivers 'Fuchsia Swing Song' (woops....)

go on, we'll let you take that on vinyl Providing you let us all play with your turntable

[sidewinder]

11. Sam Rivers 'Fuchsia Swing Song' (woops....)

go on, we'll let you take that on vinyl Providing you let us all play with your turntable

Ta !

Mono NY USA pressing with 'Van Gelder' and 'Ear' of course..

[david weiss]

Sonny Rollins A Night at the Village Vanguard

Sonny Rollins Volume 2

Wayne Shorter Speak No Evil

Wayne Shorter The All Seeing Eye

Jackie McLean It's Time

Joe Henderson Our Thing

Joe Henderson Page One

Larry Young Unity

Andrew Hill Black Fire

Herbie Hancock The Prisoner

Herbie Hancock Empyrean Isles

I know that 11 but it's impossible to remove one

Horace Silver Further Explorations by the...

Lee Morgan Search for the New Land

Lee Morgan Live at the Lighthouse

Art Blakey Free For All

Freddie Hubbard Blue Spirits

also deserve mention

and to cheat ever further how about the best of the records that were originally rejected and released later

Wayne Shorter The Soothsayer

Grant Green Solid

the Tina Brooks date with Johnny Coles

the Freddie Redd date with Benny Bailey

Stanley Turrentine Mr. Natural

Lee Morgan Tom Cat

Lee Morgan The Procrastinator

the Hank Mobley date with Kenny Dorham and Sonny Clark

Andrew Hill Pax

[Stefan Wood]

Larry Young "Unity"

Lee Morgan - "Cornbread"

Jackie McLean - "Action"

Sam Rivers - "Fuscia Swing Song"

Horace Silver - "The Jody Grind"

Grant Green - Matador"

John Patton - "That Certain Feeling"

Wayne Shorter - "ETC"

Bobby Hutcherson - "Dialogue"

Art Blakey - "Mosaic"

[P.L.M]

- CECIL TAYLOR: CONQUISTADOR

- TONY WILLIAMS: LIFETIME

- JACKIE McLEAN: ONE STEP BEYOND

- DON CHERRY COMPLETE COMMUNION

- ORNETTE COLEMAN: AT THE GOLDEN CIRCLE 1&2 (make it as a twofer)

- JOE HENDERSON: INNER URGE

- SAM RIVERS: DIMENSIONS AND EXTENSIONS (yes, I know this one was lost in the vault during many years)

- PETE LA ROCA: BASRA

- SONNY ROLLINS: NEWK'S TIME

- ANDREW HILL: POINT OF DEPARTURE

+

- DEXTER GORDON: OUR MAN IN PARIS

- WAYNE SHORTER: ADAM'S APPLE

- McCOY TYNER: THE REAL McCOY

- HERBIE HANCOCK: MAIDEN VOYAGE

Edited December 25, 2006 by P.L.M