John L Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nice playlist, although all of those tracks won't be on the Mosaic since Pres doesn't solo on some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nice playlist, although all of those tracks won't be on the Mosaic since Pres doesn't solo on some of them. Right, I just wanted to show how Mosaic could have almost squeezed the complete Basie Columbia recordings with Young in the band onto four discs, including the material where Young doesn't solo but is present in the section. Alas, I was dead wrong, haha. My Basie collection is missing the Neatwork discs of alternate takes and after looking them up on Amazon, they include 25, count 'em, 25 more alternates of Basie's Columbia period that I have never heard. NOW add in Mosaic's 13 new discoveries and that brings the grand total to to 126 tracks, which would require six discs. Thus, completists like myself will have to sit and stew for a while, but I'll still preorder this box as soon as it's available. (And by the way, that was just a selection taken from my Pres Itunes playlist...the complete thing runs to 859 tracks in chronological order! Can never have too much Pres...) Ricky dippermouth.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nice playlist, although all of those tracks won't be on the Mosaic since Pres doesn't solo on some of them. Right, I just wanted to show how Mosaic could have almost squeezed the complete Basie Columbia recordings with Young in the band onto four discs, including the material where Young doesn't solo but is present in the section. Alas, I was dead wrong, haha. My Basie collection is missing the Neatwork discs of alternate takes and after looking them up on Amazon, they include 25, count 'em, 25 more alternates of Basie's Columbia period that I have never heard. NOW add in Mosaic's 13 new discoveries and that brings the grand total to to 126 tracks, which would require six discs. Thus, completists like myself will have to sit and stew for a while, but I'll still preorder this box as soon as it's available. (And by the way, that was just a selection taken from my Pres Itunes playlist...the complete thing runs to 859 tracks in chronological order! Can never have too much Pres...) Ricky dippermouth.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 If it's 126 tracks at 3 minutes, it would fit onto 5 discs, and it wouldn't make that much of a difference to potential buyers, I guess. Even if they spread it to 6 discs at roughly 60 minutes (instead of 75) playing time, I'd still prefer a complete Basie/Prez Columbia set to a 4CD one with all the tracks including Prez soloing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Maybe there's a licensing reason they didn't do a complete set, maybe Sony is stupidly holding back in case they decide to do a set in the future (we know they won't). It's frustrating, mildly so, though I confess. . .I do like the Presian structuring. .. because I do love Lester Willis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'm really just trying to get to another page so I don't have to look at those slacks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted January 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I do like the Presian structuring. The WHAT? The Persian structuring? Oh. Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 If it's 126 tracks at 3 minutes, it would fit onto 5 discs, and it wouldn't make that much of a difference to potential buyers, I guess. Even if they spread it to 6 discs at roughly 60 minutes (instead of 75) playing time, I'd still prefer a complete Basie/Prez Columbia set to a 4CD one with all the tracks including Prez soloing! Yea, that would make a lot of sense. When I first bought the chronological classic Count Basie discs, I really enjoyed hearing the remaining tracks without Pres solos, some of which I was completely unfamiliar with. Since the only comprehensive reissue of this material was The Lester Young Story, many of these tracks were completely out of print in the 70s and 80s. At least now, they are available in some form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I want a Prez/Basie 1943-1944 set. Badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I've been waiting for a definitive edition like this!!! Did you run with the Lester Young Story Columbia 2-LP sets of the late 70s? That was a priceless series! Got four volumes of those. Essential stuff. I've got all five. Priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 That would be a 1981 Clinton... Great liner notes on this one, btw. Truly great. I've loved this one since it was first released. Primo P-Funk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) I want a Prez/Basie 1943-1944 set. Badly. Not a bad idea at all. If they put the Savoy, Jubilee, V-Disc, and Lang-Worth studio material together with the existing live broadcasts, this project could amount to 5 discs or so of dynamite not-often-heard music. Should we write Michael C. a line about this? Edited January 8, 2008 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 That 43/44 set sounds like a great idea! And to me it's rather obvious that Basie has selling potential too - they did the two Roulette sets, both of which are hard to find, then they did the Clef/Verve box, and now this Prez/Basie box, so... I'd be in on that 43/44 box, for sure! Why not someone drop them a mail about it! As for this Prez/Basie set - I got word (from Scott Wenzel via a friend) that it's too late to change anything about it and thus it's going to be a 4CD set with just those tunes included where Pres takes solos. Too bad, but it seems definitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 As for this Prez/Basie set - I got word (from Scott Wenzel via a friend) that it's too late to change anything about it and thus it's going to be a 4CD set with just those tunes included where Pres takes solos. Too bad, but it seems definitive. I hope that "solos" here is interpreted loosely to include obligatos. God forbid that Mosaic should make the same mistake that Sony did for their 4-disc set and leave out "I Left My Baby." Pres' work on that track is just UNREAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I hope that "solos" here is interpreted loosely to include obligatos. God forbid that Mosaic should make the same mistake that Sony did for their 4-disc set and leave out "I Left My Baby." Pres' work on that track is just UNREAL. Couldn't agree more ... I STILL remember when I first heard it, well over 40 years ago now... like hearing the Voice of the Cosmos ... (may have had a little something at the time) ... Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Release planned for March (I won't buy it for a while... it's hard keeping up with the running low items already...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I keep visiting the Mosaic site, looking for the first opportunity to pre-order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 (edited) I hope that "solos" here is interpreted loosely to include obligatos. God forbid that Mosaic should make the same mistake that Sony did for their 4-disc set and leave out "I Left My Baby." Pres' work on that track is just UNREAL. Couldn't agree more ... I STILL remember when I first heard it, well over 40 years ago now... like hearing the Voice of the Cosmos ... (may have had a little something at the time) ... Q The same with me - first heard it on Columbia Masterpieces Series vinyl record... Why not trying to add Library of Congress live, unissued material? Edited February 5, 2008 by mmilovan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlitweiler Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Interesting. This is not meat and potatos for me MG No, it's Ham And Eggs. Or Pound Cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlitweiler Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Interesting. This is not meat and potatos for me MG No, it's Ham And Eggs. Or Pound Cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Interesting. This is not meat and potatos for me MG No, it's Ham And Eggs. Or Pound Cake. Ah, but would it be too one-sided in concentrating on gret recordings at the expense of lesser material and even crap? I'd not buy it if that were the case. I want the crap too - actually, in particular, I think. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Interesting. This is not meat and potatos for me MG No, it's Ham And Eggs. Or Pound Cake. Ah, but would it be too one-sided in concentrating on gret recordings at the expense of lesser material and even crap? I'd not buy it if that were the case. I want the crap too - actually, in particular, I think. MG Crap? Even the Apple (Jump) is rather tasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 But don't forget that Mama Don't Want No Peas An' Rice An' Cocoanut Oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Is that stuff going to be on the Mosaic? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Well, Peas An' Rice An' Coconut Oil" won't be, but Ham and Eggs, Pound Cake, and Apple Jump will be, as Pres takes solos on the latter three. There is no conspiracy here to leave out "crap." Everything with Lester Young solos will be included without exception (as I understand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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