Guest akanalog Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 does one of the MVE byg/actual albums have noah howard on it? i think i saw a CD of this lying around somewhere. it is no good? howard's presence intrigued me. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 It's Nona Howard, a French hippie chick, and that record ain't so hot - mainly because it's not the "real" MEV but a French psych group called Spacecraft, posing as MEV. Just 'cause they jammed with the real thing don't mean they ARE the real thing... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Agreed on Takayanagi's New Direction Unit. The Axis: Another Revolvable Thing set is also stunning; it's from around the same time. The "Mass Projection" track on volume one is sick - I didn't realize that something could take "Echo"-style density as its starting point, and get denser and freer every couple of minutes... mind-melting. Takayanagi's also good on Masahiko Togashi's We Now Create, a rare Japanese Victor session from '69 that was recently reissued. Yoshizawa and Mototeru Takagi (tenor, cornpipe) also make appearances. Apparently that Eclipse session, first on an Iskra LP, was slated to be Takayanagi's ESP debut. Unfortunately ESP didn't have the bread to put it out at the time, and shut down shortly thereafter. I too have been scratching the surface on some of this material as of late; Abe's the next major project, though I do have a couple of Overhang Party records (Abe/Sabu Toyozumi duo) that are really great. Quote
randyhersom Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Any thoughts on the new Kidd Jordan with Parker and Drake? Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Chaney and DD have bailed so the thread dies. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Chaney and DD have bailed so the thread dies. Well, E and AK, are you up for keeping it up? I know PLM is around here somewhere, too. I wonder if Chaney and DD went over to Bagatellen, the usual source for EAI and improv banter... Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 cliff, my musical explorations stop at the early 80s so there is a lot of stuff outside of my interests. but sure what the hell...i will try to carry a small part of the load. but you know, i sort of eliminate a large swath of possible stuff to talk about by refusing to listen to any music made in the last 20-something years. Quote
Д.Д. Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Chaney and DD have bailed so the thread dies. Well, E and AK, are you up for keeping it up? I know PLM is around here somewhere, too. I wonder if Chaney and DD went over to Bagatellen, the usual source for EAI and improv banter... We did not go anywhere (at least I didn't). I'm just not too much in a mood to discuss music at the moment (don't listen too much either). There is no point in keeping the thread up just for the sake of it. I don't think this was ever the point - to have it stuck at the top permanently; nobody who used to post here really cared about that. Go for it, if you have anything to discuss that fits here. Currently I don't. When/if I do, I'll be back. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Sounds fair. I'd been waiting for something like the Takayanagi--appropriate enough for the thread, interesting enough to the parties here... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Any thoughts on the new Kidd Jordan with Parker and Drake? Haven't heard it... I did get a vinyl copy of Kidd's record on Prescription (I think it was Fielder who put up the money for the "label"), No Compromise!, which is quite good in a freebop sort of way. Fewer multiphonics than he's known for presently. It is on CD as well, I see. Recently picked up the John Blum (pno) Astrogeny Quartet on Eremite, with Parker, Denis Charles and an altoist by the name of Antonio Grippi. Very heavy stuff... Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Speaking of Dennis Charles: did anyone pick up the Sirone UMS CD (DC's on that one, right?)? I'm somewhat wary of the UMSs (inconsistent in quality)... but I'm buckling on this one. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I have that on LP. It's not bad, though Sirone takes over the date, at what I believe to be the expense of potentially fine playing by Charles and altoist Claude Lawrence. Artistry, on Of The Cosmos records (one of two titles on that label), is a much better date IMO and really deserves to be reissued. Sirone is joned there by Don Moye, James Newton and cellist Bernard Fennell. It's a gorgeous record of unique ensemble color and heavy swing. Newton is on FIRE. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 As perhaps the least well-documented AEC member (notwithstanding the players from the formative days--e.g., Phillip Wilson, Charles Clark...), Don Moye really got around in the Loft Days. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Do you mean "least-well-documented" in terms of as a leader? He certainly plays on more AEC albums than not. I thought he was based in Chicago from the '70s on, which makes it all the more telling that his appearances on NYC records are so many. At this point, I find it hard to imagine him playing with Steve Lacy, which is where the AEC got him from... Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Yeah that's what I meant. It's interesting to see where he pops up--and to great effect, too (have yet to hear a session of his--leader or sideman, outside of the AEC--that I don't like). Akanalog brought up the Bluiett twofer as an AOW a while back--that one scorches. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 i just recently relistened to the bluiett on bs/sn "resolution", which has moye and billy hart in tandem. it is also excellent, IMO. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 speaking of which, cliff, i know you said you don't like "black paladins" (jarman/dyani/moye). why not? Quote
P.L.M Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) speaking of which, cliff, i know you said you don't like "black paladins" (jarman/dyani/moye). why not? Remember that I didn't like it either. I should give a listen to it, just for remember WHY. Edited October 12, 2006 by P.L.M Quote
P.L.M Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 There is no point in keeping the thread up just for the sake of it. I don't think this was ever the point - to have it stuck at the top permanently; nobody who used to post here really cared about that. Go for it, if you have anything to discuss that fits here. Currently I don't. When/if I do, I'll be back. Hope everything thing are okay with you DAVID. Let us know. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 speaking of which, cliff, i know you said you don't like "black paladins" (jarman/dyani/moye). why not? Jarman. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 epistro-i am surprised sort of you said that about the UMS. there are other labels i feel sometimes seem to release stuff just to release it (the fact something hasn't been released before sometimes means it isn't worth releasing!) and i often expect to feel this way about UMS albums, but they generally surprise me with their quality. right now for instance i am listening to joe mcphee's "underground railroad" which is a lot better than i expected. i haven't explored a lot of the random 70s and 80s euro stuff, though. cuneiform, for instance, i feel releases material that shouldn't have seen the light of day or otherwise i can't believe nothing similar but better (like in the case of the graham collier live sets) couldn't have been found. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I'd agree on disc 2 of the Collier, but disc 1 blows my mind... I've been pretty impressed with Cuneiform. They have an aesthetic and stick to it, and I can't say I haven't learned a lot from their liner writers, in addition to the music they've put out. Now, if they could just do a BOB live box set... I generally like UMS too, though "unheard" is often pretty debatable - some of those aren't in the least bit rare, though I suppose they weren't on CD before. I'm wracking my brain trying to think of a reissue in Cuneiform's catalog comparable to the circle-jerk that is Starship Beer, however... Corbs will never be able to live that one down, as much as I like the guy. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 (edited) Naw, it's not so much the music--which is almost uniformly worthwhile--as it is various aspects of the presentation. Not all of this is Atavistic's fault--we have deteriorating tape, poor recording, etc. At the same time, the UMS hits some high peaks (I've been thrilled by the reissues of Pleasure, the GUO, Brotz, McPhee...) and certainly throws in a few oddballs (e.g., the Tiegel album--good as it is--the excellent, if horrendously recorded Lacy mixes that have been surfacing, and the second Luther Thomas UMS, which was totally unexpected). The UMS tends to oscillate between lost classics and esoterica/zaniness, which is where the opinions of fellow board members can come in handy... Now, rights issues notwithstanding, there are a lot of classic, seldom-heard albums that I'd like to see meet the light of day (again): Babi Music, Black Ark, The Sun is Coming Up, the non-Ogun Blue Notes member albums, the Dixon-Shepp Quartet on Savoy, the Marzette Watts album on Savoy... but those are 'UM' of a different sort. By the way--has anyone noticed just how much of Thurston Moore's 'Free Jazz Underground' list has gotten reissued? Off to rehearse and (probably) buy some Otomo Yoshihide... Edited October 13, 2006 by ep1str0phy Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 They've been leaving off the liner notes on a bunch of the UMS titles lately. If it's "Unheard," then give people some context already! There is a lot of the Thurston list that has yet to see the proper light of day - the Colbeck, for example, really needs to be on CD. It's one of the best jazz records in existence... Quote
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