bebopbob Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 (edited) For those who missed the Mosaic set, Collectables will be reissuing Ellington's Reprise recordings in March and April March 15, 2005: Mary Poppins Afro-Bossa March 29, 2005: Ellington '65 Ellington '66 The Symphonic Ellington April 12, 2005: The Great Paris Concert (Atlantic) Concert in the Virgin Islands Will Big Bands Ever Come Back? Recently picked up Duke Ellington's Jazz Violin Session on Wounded Bird Records - interesting arrangements Edited February 21, 2005 by bebopbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Besides Afro-Bossa, are any of these essential? Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I would recommend Concert in the Virgin Islands. Some interesting new pieces on that one. I personally have a soft spot for the Mary Poppins. It seems to work against all odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Personally I consider "Violin Session" essential, but I WOULD bieng a Ray Nance and a Sven Asmussen fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Paris Concert, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 be careful with Collectables - they really fuc*ed up the Atlantic reissues, which are full of digital artifacts from HORRIBLE use of noise reduction. I would hesitate to buy any of their stuff - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkboughtlunch Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 They sure did! They ruined the Jack Wilson Quartet with Roy Ayers album. Great album. Bad transfer. Sounds like they used an LP and No-Noised it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 (edited) some engineer decided to de-hiss them, not realizing that ambient hiss is one of the nice thing about old open-reel recordings - there is no good de-hissing program, or at least none that can truly completely eliminate hiss without leaving other problems. The Dick Katz has a weird cymbal sizzle, and the Bob Brookmeyer big band has actual weird digital noises like the chirping of dying birds - AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH! This is why I save my LPs - Edited February 22, 2005 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Before everyone starts bad mouthing Collectables again, i would suggest you read the copyright statement on the back of any of their cd issues. They DO NOT master or manufacture any of their product. That job is done by the special projects arm of whatever company owns the tapes. Collectables is just a marketing company. In the case of the Atlantic reissues, Rhino Entertainment masters and manufactures the product. They are the ones doing the half assed job on some of the Atlantic issues. To prove my point, Collectables not too long ago issued Hank Crawford's More Soul. This album had been issued on cd by 32 Jazz some years back. The 32 issue had a defect at the end of the last track, Sister Sadie. Guess what, the Collectables issue has the same exact defect, which leads me to believe that Rhino used the same master they did for 32 Jazz. If after all these years there is a problem with the master tape, the least Rhino could do was to ask 32 and Collectables to run a dsclaimer for that track. They did'nt in both cases. So lets stop picking on Collectables. Without them, how much of that Atlantic product do you think would be out on cd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 (edited) What - we can't blame them simply because they agree to issue substandard product? All they have to do is tell Rhino to re-master - the Atlantic stuf has been done very nicely in other cases. The Atlantics they've issued with compressed anti-hiss and digital noise are a travesty, and include some of the most important music of the 1950s and 1960s - almost all from nice two-track masters. They're paying to license it and are obligated to maintain standards - Edited February 22, 2005 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Yup! They should use the standards of Koch, as far as reissuing Atlantics goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 And on topic: why not get the European longbox release ("Spiegel Edition" or what is it called)? I spent a couple of days with this box when I was in hospital last year (pretty exactly a year back now) and love it! The jazz violin session is great, and I have to admit I liked a lot of the "pop" numbers - I mean, they're not just pop numbers, they got the Ducal or - in many cases even better - Strayhorn treatment, creating many a jewel out of dubious origins. The Paris concert I think is still available in its 2CD Atlantic incarnation, no? That was not part of the Reprise box anyway. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Allen, Although i agree with you that we would like every reissue to be state of the art, i think we have to look at the real world. In terms of what jazz sales contributes to the bottom line of Rhino/Warner Bros,it would not suprise me that if Collectables complains to Rhino, they are just told to take it or leave it. I dont know the answer to this, but are there different price points for a licence that get you better masters? Maybe Nessa can comment on that. All in all im just happy to have alot of those old titles out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 it really has nothing to do with price - and is actually probably CHEAPER to just get the masters transferred, flat, with no processing. This is a case of a bad and poorly trained engineer - I understand what you are saying, but, as someone who has done a fair amount of remastering (I've done work for Sony, Rhino, GLobal Village, a few Japanese cpmpanies, for Michael Feinstein, for NPR, Ken Burns and a few others) I can tell you this is just poor judgement - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiptobird Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 This label ruined the Irene Kral quartet album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 some engineer decided to de-hiss them, not realizing that ambient hiss is one of the nice thing about old open-reel recordings - there is no good de-hissing program, or at least none that can truly completely eliminate hiss without leaving other problems. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 speaking of collectibles, here's something that puzzles me... in november i picked up a few rhino reissues in the EU that weren't/aren't available here in north america (more soul and ray charles presents fathead were two...). the liners are by senior dorn and the sound is *delicious* atlantic dowd. now these titles are available from collectibles. hmmmmmmmmmmmm, -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 be careful with Collectables - they really fuc*ed up the Atlantic reissues, which are full of digital artifacts from HORRIBLE use of noise reduction. I would hesitate to buy any of their stuff - Usually their reissues are unavailable elsewhere on CD, so you can't avoid 'em. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 I have seen a few non-Collectables Atlantic reiusses in a gatefold style, as I recall -but this is why it's good to hold onto those old LPs - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 just a footnote to the gentleman who PM'd me concerning sister sadie from more soul (i accidentally deleted your PM). alas, the imperfection seems to exist on the master as the recent EU rhino reissue that i have still has it (albeit in brief fashion)... -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) etherbored, It was i who PM'd you about Sister Sadie. Thanks for checking that out for me. I guess the master tape is bad, and there may not be any safties for that album. Edited February 24, 2005 by Bill Fenohr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montg Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Can anyone comment on the remastering quality of the Atlantic reissues released in the UK? atlantic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Assuming they are the same as those released in Germany in 2003/04, these have EXCELLENT sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Assuming they are the same as those released in Germany in 2003/04, these have EXCELLENT sound. Most of them look like the second generation of digipacks (the first being the "Atlantic Original Sound" ones, with a note by Claude Nobs). Can't tell about the sound, but to me the best ones seem to be the Rhino jewel case reissues, but then these are album-only reissues, no complete sessions, no bonus materials (as the older Rhinos from the US had). Also the "Great Ray Charles" includes a wrong track (there's a separate thread I started about that). ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 the digipacs are okay, not great. The ones I mean came in jewel cases. Included were Bryant, Crawford, Fathead, Stitt, Blue Lateef, Tristano, but also non-Atlantic titles like the Apogee album w/ Christlieb and Marsh and Warm Moods by Webster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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