paul secor Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 brownie, I hope that you'll have second thoughts and will return. This place won't be the same without you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epithet Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Maybe it's time to nominate an additional Moderator, so threads like this can get locked a little more quickly -- when Jim and "The Fist" aren't around. But this is what I like(d) about the moderating here: very laissez-faire for the most part. Daniel A: the 'unevenness' is a reference to Soulstation1 getting away with this completely unscathed. I'm not asking that we observe legal precedent here. Secondly, the number of patently outrageous threats from ariceffron ought to be some indication of just how serious they are. If he means it, now that he's banned he'll really mean it. I only hope he makes it fast and pain-free for the moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 NO LOCKING! How can you think yourself entitled to post but deny others the same, including people who may want to respond to the latest rounds, and others who will come along later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 NO LOCKING! How can you think yourself entitled to post but deny others the same, including people who may want to respond to the latest rounds, and others who will come along later? Well this is what happens when some people have different opinions to others. Treads get stopped and people become angry and leave the board. Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 " Strong the dark side is!" Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 People leave boards of their own volition. A board shouldn't disallow people from posting and responding to posts under the duress of a person leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Oh, and I second the motion to have this thread locked. All in favor??? Yes! Before we piss off more people like brownie. With all due respect, the point of this thread has nothing to do with pissing off or not pissing off Brownie. I'm sorry to see Brownie go - he was a valuable contributer to this board - and I do hope he reconsiders. But if Aric's banishment affects somebody so much that they decide to leave, well I can only assume that there are greater issues involved than just Aric. It is, perhaps, the stupidest reason I can think of for abandoning the Big-O. And if one chooses to side so strongly with Aric over Jim A. in this case, then all I can only say is "so long, been good to know ya." To be honest, I'm sorry to see Aric go. As offensive as he often is, I do get a kick out of him and his rather warped enthusiasm. And I don't deny that the laughter is occassionally of the sort directed at a social retard. But Jim has every right to ban him in this case as Aric did go way over the line. And as others have pointed out (again and again and again...) it's not the first time either. One can say "give him another chance," but - damn! - the dude has had plenty of chances over the years and, like DEEP, has pretty much been suspended or banned anywhere he goes. That, to me, says something. And it says it loudly. Hopefully Aric will someday be allowed to return, but as far as I'm concerned that's Jim's call. And I won't lose a minute of sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 People leave boards of their own volition. A board shouldn't disallow people from posting and responding to posts under the duress of a person leaving. I agree but this is what happens when a small group of people have all the power. A thread on Gilad Atzmon was stopped by one of the board moderators, because a small number of people did not like the points that were being made. At the same time a smell number of people seem to be able to use whatever language they want, incite whatever flame they want and nothing is said, at least not publically. Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 iffthis kind oF postingmake sthings more easier for ANDINTERESTING! then iwill wil like to SAY I"M DOWN forthose who needed morexcitingment. Just another boring poster, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Oh, and I second the motion to have this thread locked. All in favor??? Yes! Before we piss off more people like brownie. Maybe it's time to nominate an additional Moderator, so threads like this can get locked a little more quickly -- when Jim and "The Fist" aren't around. Why the heck do threads need to be locked more quickly? It seems to me that nearly all the "lockable" threads/posts on this board were caused by Greg M., DEEP, or Aric. We're all adults, and I think - with the above exceptions - we've done a pretty good job of policing ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 People leave boards of their own volition. A board shouldn't disallow people from posting and responding to posts under the duress of a person leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybleaden Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Ah Much to learn about the dark side you have. Already sided with the Sith our lawyer friend is This is right to happen period. It is the decision of the moderator, for what I think are really understandable reasons. This is the end of a line of really unfathomable threeadsbut whether it has anything to do with free speech I really cannot understand. The right to free speech has little to do with the right to threaten, abuse etc. Taken lightly or not, these things/threats I have again had to read from this armpit serve little purpose but to violate those who have to read it. If you found his commnets funny well .....ok It is obvious from many here that some felt uneasy with his tirade and the sexual stuff i can happily do without reading. I am not being a prude...like bad humour myself but this ...? really ???? Humour? I do not think so for one but that is all I am ...just one. I remember trolls like this on alt music site and they were an effing pain in the arse...shooting their mouths (usually foul) all over the board. I remember what went on on the old Blue Note site ...where I was a member for a long time and it was similar and sad and I was glad when he got banned. I use this site to talk about everything from Andrew Hill to Blue Note LPs to George Bush to Micheal Moore to Freddie Roach to CDRs to whatever but not to read this putrid spot commenting in a foul and stagnent way Begone! (rant over...going for a cup o tea!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 All this would not have happened had the SR-71 not been retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Maybe it's time to nominate an additional Moderator, so threads like this can get locked a little more quickly -- when Jim and "The Fist" aren't around. But this is what I like(d) about the moderating here: very laissez-faire for the most part. I think having Sangry as an extra Moderator would not change the laissez-faire approach much at all. Sangry would only exercise the same judgement that b3-er and his bro would, at times when they weren't on-line. I wouldn't expect Sangry to need to take any action about anything but a very, very small handful of times per year -- less than you can count on one hand probably. Only when absolutely necessary, in his judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) NO LOCKING! How can you think yourself entitled to post but deny others the same, including people who may want to respond to the latest rounds, and others who will come along later? Rather than NO locking, I would argue for the very limited use of locking. I think Jim and his bro do a great job with this currently, only locking threads when absolutely necessary. Most moderators would delete threads like this, long before they got out of control. Jim lets us hash things out a bit (sometimes quite a bit), and then every once in a blue moon - he decides it's best to close down a thread. I think this is the best way to handle things, and is very healthy for the board, in the long run. (And not deleting the thread gives everyone an opportunity to see what went down, after the fact -- so if you miss stuff in real-time, you don't miss stuff.) Edited March 17, 2005 by Rooster_Ties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 People leave boards of their own volition. A board shouldn't disallow people from posting and responding to posts under the duress of a person leaving. I agree but this is what happens when a small group of people have all the power. A thread on Gilad Atzmon was stopped by one of the board moderators, because a small number of people did not like the points that were being made. At the same time a smell number of people seem to be able to use whatever language they want, incite whatever flame they want and nothing is said, at least not publically. Che. Nice to see this utter b-s again being brought up here... Dude, you went all anti-semitic over there, and you STILL not getting it. No one here wants to stop free discussion and freedom of speech, but you (and that pal of yours that popped up there, too) are simply NOT up to discussion THOSE things. I said so over there, others said so, too (although a certain third party did state no one said anything...) and there was even one brave guy trying to discuss it with you. It seems you just don't listen to what others say and go on and on with you own schmontzes and then say the others don't listen to what you said. Thank you for your post. Nothankyou. ubu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybleaden Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 True ..very true We could always start a rude word contest to see how long til he shuts it down. My go first Bellybutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelius Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) Rooster Ties You're trying to impose additional controls where none are needed. There's no need to lock this thread or any thread. It's sufficient to delete individual posts (if they're as out of bounds as a threat of actual harm) or ban individual posters. There's no need to shut down people talking about whatever they want to talk about. And there's just no need for another moderator. And that other admins would lock threads more often is hardly an argument that this forum, or any forum, should go down that road. There is no harm in allowing people to continue talking in this thread. But there is harm to our freedom by locking the thread, especially since it is important that posts in response to other posts remain attached and in continuity. Edited March 17, 2005 by Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 All this would not have happened had the SR-71 not been retired. Here's a photo my buddy took when we (that is him, me, and our two SR-71s) went for a flight over the alps last weekend): You haven't seriously forgotten I had such a little thing still in use, have you? Royalty needs a striking force! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 People leave boards of their own volition. A board shouldn't disallow people from posting and responding to posts under the duress of a person leaving. I agree but this is what happens when a small group of people have all the power. A thread on Gilad Atzmon was stopped by one of the board moderators, because a small number of people did not like the points that were being made. At the same time a smell number of people seem to be able to use whatever language they want, incite whatever flame they want and nothing is said, at least not publically. Che. Nice to see this utter b-s again being brought up here... Dude, you went all anti-semitic over there, and you STILL not getting it. No one here wants to stop free discussion and freedom of speech, but you (and that pal of yours that popped up there, too) are simply NOT up to discussion THOSE things. I said so over there, others said so, too (although a certain third party did state no one said anything...) and there was even one brave guy trying to discuss it with you. It seems you just don't listen to what others say and go on and on with you own schmontzes and then say the others don't listen to what you said. Thank you for your post. Nothankyou. ubu Once again we see the kind of person you are, a bully and one that has a very selective view of the issues raised in the debate you mention. When you have something origional to say, when you show the ability to reflect on the kind of response you may get from the general tone of your post, then we can have a discussion. Either you lack any real insight into the wider issues, or you just like to create a situation in which it can appear that I and some others are being really offensive. Either way it shows me a little insight in the kind of person you are, and that is not a person that I feel I could have a conversation with. Discussion for you seems to involve an aggressive, abusive tone and the hope that you will find enough people that share your views. I will await a response that shows me that you can infact discuss and debate, in a way that is conjusive to the development of the issues at hand. Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 "GOOD NOW I KNOW WHAT TO LISTEN 2 WHEN IM FUCKING THE SHIT OUT OF HER EVERY NIGHT " time for Aric to give that chicken a rest - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 "GOOD NOW I KNOW WHAT TO LISTEN 2 WHEN IM FUCKING THE SHIT OUT OF HER EVERY NIGHT " that Aric was a regular Dr. Phil - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 "GOOD NOW I KNOW WHAT TO LISTEN 2 WHEN IM FUCKING THE SHIT OUT OF HER EVERY NIGHT " incredible words of wisdom - we will miss him - almost as astute as comparing Nazism to Zionism - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 You haven't seriously forgotten I had such a little thing still in use, have you? Royalty needs a striking force! Perhaps so, but this plane only packs a camera, I think. --eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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