Michael Fitzgerald

To respond to Peter Friedman: I agree, to a point (and support the view that Guy presents). But there are numerous instances in Kenny Barron's use of the electric piano where he is NOT substituting it for an acoustic piano. I am thinking particularly about his Muse records and his album "Innocence." The electric piano is a color that is *different* from the acoustic piano and the pieces on which he uses this color were specifically intended to have that. At this point, electric pianos are no longer produced and haven't been for perhaps 2 decades. Electronic instruments have replaced them and anything that sounds "closer to the sound of an acoustic instrument" is most likely using digital sampling technology. The other technology being used is software modeling - which isn't being used so much for acoustic piano imitations as it is for electric piano imitations. Mike

I go with September 1, 1957 on Sonny's Crib. That is what 2nd edition of Cuscuna/Ruppli gives. September 1, 1957 was a Sunday, which was generally Blue Note's day of the week at Van Gelder's. October 9, 1957 was a Wednesday. Here is information on Grant Green's Blue Note sessions: Date: October 27, 1961 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Grant Green (ldr), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Butch Warren (b), Billy Higgins (d) a. tk 4 Woody 'n You - 05:54 (Dizzy Gillespie) Blue Note CD: 7243 5 27548 2 3 - First Session (2001) b. tk 7 Woody 'n You - 05:53 (Dizzy Gillespie) Blue Note CD: 7243 5 27548 2 3 - First Session (2001) c. Lady Bird (Tadd Dameron) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: December 23, 1961 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Grant Green (ldr), Ike Quebec (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d) a. tk 3 Moon River - 05:34 (Henry Mancini, Johnny Mercer) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) b. tk 8 On Green Dolphin Street - 06:25 (Bronislau Kaper, Ned Washington) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) c. tk 17 What Is This Thing Called Love - 05:49 (Cole Porter) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) d. tk 24 Count Every Star - 06:16 (Bruno Andre Coquatrix, Bernard Michel) Blue Note LP 12": BST 84098 - Blue And Sentimental Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue Blue Note CD: CDP 7 84098 2 - Blue And Sentimental (1988) Blue Note CD: CDP 7 84432 2 - Born To Be Blue (1989) e. tk 25 Shadrack - 06:20 (Robert MacGimsey) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) f. tk 26 Gooden's Corner - 08:11 (Grant Green) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) g. tk 27 Two For One - 07:38 (Grant Green) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) All titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) - Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Ike Quebec (ts) on d only. CD issue 84432 gives incorrect date for d. as March 1, 1962 (or December 11, 1961). Above is from Cuscuna/Ruppli 2. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: January 13, 1962 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Grant Green (ldr), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Art Blakey (d) a. tk 4 Airegin - 07:34 (Sonny Rollins, Jon Hendricks) b. tk 5 Airegin - 07:32 (Sonny Rollins, Jon Hendricks) Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria c. tk 7 Nancy (With The Laughing Face) - 06:20 (Phil Silvers, Jimmy Van Heusen) d. tk 8 I Concentrate On You - 05:40 (Cole Porter) Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria e. tk 12 The Things We Did Last Summer - 05:54 (Sammy Cahn, Jule Styne) Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria f. tk 21 The Song Is You - 07:44 (Jerome Kern, Oscar Hammerstein II) Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria g. tk 24 It Ain't Necessarily So - 10:20 (George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin, Dubose Heyward) Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria All titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) - Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) - Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: January 31, 1962 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Grant Green (ldr), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d) a. tk 4 My Favorite Things - 08:28 (Richard Rodgers, Oscar Hammerstein II) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) b. tk 5 Hip Funk - 08:35 (Grant Green) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) c. tk 6 Oleo - 05:35 (Sonny Rollins) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) d. tk 8 Oleo - 06:00 (Sonny Rollins) Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) e. tk 11 Little Girl Blue - 07:12 (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) f. tk 15 Tune Up - 07:17 (Miles Davis, Eddie Vinson) Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997) g. Lament (J. J. Johnson) Composer of g. not confirmed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: March 1, 1962 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Grant Green (ldr), Ike Quebec (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d) a. tk 4 Someday My Prince Will Come - 06:26 (Frank E. Churchill, Larry Morey) Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue b. tk 11 If I Should Lose You - 06:02 (Leo Robin, Ralph Rainger) Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue c. tk 15 My One And Only Love - 05:47 (Guy Wood, Robert Mellin) Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue d. tk 20 Back In Your Own Back Yard - 08:02 (Al Jolson, Billy Rose, Dave Dreyer) Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue e. tk 23 Born To Be Blue - 04:52 (Mel Torme, Robert Wells) Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue f. tk 24 Born To Be Blue - 04:33 (Mel Torme, Robert Wells) g. tk 29 Cool Blues - 07:42 (Charlie Parker) h. tk 31 Outer Space - 08:40 (Grant Green) All titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) - Blue Note CD: CDP 7 84432 2 - Born To Be Blue (1989) - Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) CD issue confuses recording dates. Above is from Cuscuna/Ruppli 2. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: June 18, 1962 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Don Wilkerson (ldr), Don Wilkerson (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Butch Warren (b), Billy Higgins (d), Jual Curtis (tam) a. tk 3 Jeanie-Weenie - 04:58 (Don Wilkerson) b. tk 4 Pigeon Peas - 08:31 (Don Wilkerson) c. tk 6 The Eldorado Shuffle - 06:23 (Don Wilkerson) d. tk 8 Homesick Blues - 06:36 (Don Wilkerson) e. tk 9 Camp Meetin' - 04:40 (Don Wilkerson) f. tk 13 Dem Tambourines - 05:35 (Don Wilkerson) All titles on: - Blue Note LP 12": BST 84107 - Preach Brother! - Blue Note CD: 7243 5 24555 2 2 - The Complete Blue Note Sessions (2001) Jual Curtis (tam) on e, f only. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: September 7, 1962 Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Label: Blue Note Grant Green (ldr), Ike Quebec (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Wendell Marshall (b), Willie 'Bobo' Correa (d), Carlos 'Patato' Valdez (cga) a. tk 5 Granada - 06:25 (Agustín Lara, Dorothy Dodd) b. tk 12 Hey There - 07:24 (Richard Adler, Jerry Ross) Both titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) - Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991) - Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 37645 2 5 - The Latin Bit (1996) CD issue omits Clark's name from credits and misspells a. as Grenada. =============================================== I'll say it again - the Japanese jazzdisco.org site is highly unreliable. Mike

And now that people freely distribute CDR sets of out-of-print Mosaics, I would imagine that a chunk of the market would be gone for any kind of reprint (not that I think a reprint is at all likely to begin with). Mike

And hopefully for every example of that avarice, there is an opposite - like the clips I saw on TV last night of a family of about 6 or so stranded in a car on empty, with a flat tire, being given food, gas, etc. with no payment accepted. Mike

Do a Mosaic and have the bumper sticker say, "I have the Complete 1959-63 West Coast Studio Sessions of Dupree Bolton". Mike

This wasn't even a case of trying to dig deeper or get dirt or whatever. It was just a simple statement of fact. No one was making judgments or pointing fingers. But it's gone now in respect for her wishes. In the Gryce book there are a number of personal things that are less than complimentary, and we never tried to say that Gigi was the greatest saxophonist or composer in the history of jazz - but we felt, and still do, that his is a story worth telling. Which is all one can want, in my view. Mike

True. My friend Noal Cohen has done Hope's discography and was chastised by Bertha for mentioning (in a brief biographical sketch) elements of Hope's biography that basically everyone already knows. Apparently truth is out and rose-colored-glasses are in. Mike

I won't answer in the hypothetical - I choose a lot of the subjects I have because no one else has ever bothered to devote that kind of attention to them. With others, I have a personal connection - they are friends, teachers, etc. Obviously, a deep, longstanding love of an artist's music is going to be a factor for such a choice. Actually maybe I shouldn't say "obviously" because there do seem to be some people who crank out superficial studies since they haven't put in the time. Almost like they were given an assignment and a deadline. Maybe they were. In the research world, it's wonderful to find a collaborator - someone who shares the same passion for the same subject. I've had the pleasure of working with a number of great people and am always looking for more. Especially because it's easier when you can share the load. Mike

What does "for an artists" mean? Do you mean why would a researcher choose one particular musician to study; why pick that specific musician? Mike

Those tapes are from November 1959, not June. The band was in Dusseldorf. Mike

You have confused Walter Bishop, Jr. with Walter Davis, Jr. - in 1959 it was Davis, who played with the band on and off in 1959-61 and then in the 1970s. But June 1959 is too early for Walter Davis, Jr. in the band, I think. Please give details of the item and I will check further. Mike

Had to walk because driving is prohibitively expensive.

Wynton? Hasn't there been enough suffering? Mike

Some solos. It's a 1945 big band. No one gets a ton of space. Mike

No, there's Dupree Bolton to be heard with Benny Carter's big band in the mid 1940s and some Buddy Johnson from slightly earlier. I was just listening to one of the Buddy Johnson live things the other day. Mike

I thought it was Ampex 456 that was the diabolus-in-musica. Mike

Not so fast. As Dave Letterman used to say, in his "brush with greatness" segments: "Is there perhaps.....MORE to this story?" Why, yes, Dave, there is. A few days later, when I received the CD package and opened it, an odd smell permeated the air and I was horrified to find it was actually....." A) Lee Konitz Meets Tommy Gumina B) Lee Michaels Meets Jimmy Giuffre C) Lee Majors Meets Jimmy Osmond Mike

Nah - in that case, wouldn't it be under Dorrell Anderson and Maurice White's names? Mike

Please, when I ask a question do NOT give me an answer based on information from the Japanese jazzdisco.org site - particularly without crediting the source. That site is packed with errors and I'm trying to FIX those. That site copies errors and introduces new ones of its own. It's wrong so much that even when it's right I'm cautious. As for RVG in New York, it needs to be understood that discographies and other sources have in the past equated "NYC" with "the New York metropolitan area" - so it's difficult to tell sometimes. Another reason why I'm asking these questions. BTW, RVG certainly did do some location recording after the 1960s, the 1986 Uptown album of Tommy Flanagan at the Village Vanguard comes to mind immediately. Mike

Yes, but that's Sonny Rollins of 4 years ago being issued by the label to which he was signed then (and now), a label that has 30-some years of history with him. Mosaic doesn't have such a position - with anyone. The Benedetti stuff is the only thing they actually own. I don't know the ins and outs of that particular deal. Mike

Not according to Cuscuna, who told me unissued live stuff is generally too much trouble for them in terms of all the clearances and payouts needed. Mike

So who does which tunes - does it say? Mike

I was thinking about this record last night, as it happens. Arranger-wise, who does what on this one? (and are there really no violins in the string section?) Mike

Wow.

Well, if that's the case, they just moved down another notch in my book, though not at all unexpectedly - that's the feel I have about that whole production. Isn't this just shilling? Or is it a new twist on payola? I guess you would need to *purchase* some "free speech" on that board, Chuck. What would happen then? Mike