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We just discovered Jacques Butler with Benny Waters in a sequence in Conrad Rooks' Chappaqua. it's in the Ornette on film thread but here is the link [ to what we have so far (go back a few posts for my link to the whole film on youtube). Does anyone have more information on Butler or remember the club and its history? Guy?

Astoundingly, it seems Butler may still be alive, according to this link - but I have no idea if this is correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Music/DateOfBirth/April_29 Edited to add: I started a thread on Butler to ask for more info.

Spot on - and here is Waters at the very club where this is filmed - La Cigale in PAris But who is the explosive trumpeter? He sounds good and must be someone we know, but I can't come up with any name. That is Jacques Butler. His is the lead name written on the glass window in the first photo I posted - you can also fleetingly see that same window in the movie clip - and that is him with Carter in the second photo I posted. I didn't know anything about him and only gleaned a little by googling. This was his regular gig (as is evident by the fact his name - over Waters - appears painted on the window. Maybe Guy knows something about this club and its history?

Spot on - and here is Waters at the very club where this is filmed - La Cigale in PAris Now who in hell knew about that? I guess that's Jacques Butler with him

Neither. The music was eventually rejected for the soundtrack. Ornette has a cameo as a character, which I can't find, but is that Benny Carter at 54.00? And who else? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjwJRi9Kj8Y

Warning on the otherwise bargainous Buddy Rich Mosaic mp3 going on amazon at a low price - there are only six discs of a seven disc set. Apart from that - fill yer boots.

Great post. I was planning to say something similar but yours is much better! There's a difference between energy music and free improv, and between both of those overlapping practices and any form of jazz, but there is reason to see all of those things as practices. In the case of energy music it is the most apparent, where the collected recordings of the typical energy musician are hardly an oeuvre, and the latest recording is hardly an opus. I've got more ideas on this but I haven't finished organizing them...

Understandable though against the background of grade inflation in the reviewing industry in general. No disrespect, but we all know that reviewers get a little, uh, enthuasiastic and I dare say editors are wary of seeming to hype just everything that comes along. On the other hand, if no one ever got enthusiastic any more, we'd be extinct pretty soon (might be a good thing though*, all things considered...) *) was there ever a Blakeyley album by that title btw? and will they ever get to Gaylayle, too? or will the world have gone undder before? Yeah I agree with you - I used to be annoyed by reviewers gushing over everything but at least they care! I do know that review magazines get letters if their reviewers always give five stars.

Going Poestal.

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/classical-music-news/universal-music-group-launches-mercury-classics It looks like the idea is to go for intelligent crossover - we'll see. At least someone is trying to do something.

I mentioned this on another thread but in case people missed it: Real Gone label has a stack of 8-albums-on-four-CDs-minus-the-odd-track sets coming out including Blakey, Roach, Smith (vol 2), Farmer, Drew, Quincy Jones, Lateef, Fuller, Nina Simone, Jamal, JJ Johnson - that's on top of others already out that we may not have discussed here (Mulligan, Coltrane, Byrd, Bennie Green, Gillepsie, Mclean, Mann, Chambers, Ellington) plus many others which I think we did discuss. Don't shoot the messenger. PS I think some of those are 3 CD sets.

I'm just using the term by rough analogy with the theory of sonata form - I know they aren't exactly the same. I used expository to get at the idea of exposition/development, though in rondo form there isn't really development. I just mean that it is rational and clear, like C18th music.

Play that One Note Samba. I will Oscar, I will.

Poor Emma Andrews though. Every ten or fifteen minutes she goes to vote, but she can't. She didn't register to vote! At least on UK Spotify she didn't. Talk about lessons unlearned.

Fortunately its on Spotters so we can all make up our own minds

Understandable though against the background of grade inflation in the reviewing industry in general. No disrespect, but we all know that reviewers get a little, uh, enthuasiastic and I dare say editors are wary of seeming to hype just everything that comes along.

Spanky was certainly for real, but there was no Sam Dockeryery in the history of the music! There was! Cousin to Hickeryery and Dickeryery.

There is! He lives at the North Pole with Santa!

And finally I see that the much vilified (on this board) Real Gone label has a stack of 8-albums-on-four-CDs-minus-the-odd-track sets coming out including Blakey, Roach, Smith (vol 2), Farmer, Drew, Quincy Jones, Lateef, Fuller, Nina Simone, Jamal, JJ Johnson - that's on top of others already out that we *may* not have discussed here (Mulligan, Coltrane, Byrd, Bennie Green, Gillepsie, Mclean, Mann, Chambers, Ellington) plus many others which I think we did discuss. So dust off your rhetoric.

So a single CD. And a limited edition of 300 - are they nuts? 300?? On a related theme, I see they are bringing out Tough! albeit in an unwelcome coupling. http://www.jazzmessengers.com/solar-records-new-releases/product101609

You're right that this is not avant-garde (it's rather comfortable in fact). Avant-gardism usually has to do with a fairly fundamental reconsideration of the purpose as well as the modality of any art - not a question of genre at all, which seems to be more a functional question determined more than anything by audience. Of course avant-gardes themselves become historical, but that's another question.

An anonymous troll on the internet. Well I never.

When it was hard-to-find it seemed like a bit of a holy grail, but I agree with you - the music is not as exciting as the cover or the title!

On a related note, I was just enjoying this interview with Melvin Gibbs: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2011/06/heavy-metal-be-bop-4-interview-with-melvin-gibbs/

I can access that journal but with a one year delay...