David Ayers

Improv has an audience, I see them often, but I don't think of jazz as having one. Record collectors sure, and lots of folks who learned to play it, but otherwise if there was no dinner I suspect there would be no audience. An impression, I suppose, but I've long felt it.

OK we are really having grammatical problems in this thread...

John - which issue are you listening to?

All you guys did was google 'cactus'. Really we need a separate thread for album covers with a cactus not featuring the word cactus.

I guess Miles knew that trumpet-tootling is not that interesting to most people and that it was necessary to appear 'interesting' in some other and, as it turns out, even less interesting way.

So great.

Stunning Mahler. Salonen did an amazing job.

Next up: Arnold Schoenberg A Survivor from Warsaw (8 mins) Henri Dutilleux The Shadows of Time (30 mins) Gustav Mahler Symphony No 1 in D major (53 mins) David Wilson-Johnson narrator Philharmonia Voices (men's voices) Philharmonia Orchestra Esa-Pekka Salonen conductor

Fine evening. On iplayer so don't just take my word for it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ez2gwh#b07m5gx0 Next up: Dutilleux and Mahler...

Just remembering. Does that count for this thread? Berg: Three Orchestral Pieces, Op.6, Neuwirth: Clinamen/ Nodus, Mahler: Symphony No. 6 in A minor. London Symphony Orchestra, Pierre Boulez, conductor. Barbican Centre 26 January 2000 Boulez: Originel from ...explosante-fixe...; Benjamin: Palimpsest (world premiere); Schoenberg: Piano Concerto, Op. 42; Stravinsky: Petrushka (1911 version); Paul Edmund-Davies, flute; Daniel Barenboim, piano; London Symphony Orchestra; Pierre Boulez, conductor; Barbican Hall, London Wednesday 2 February 2000 Eötvös: zeroPoints, Ligeti: Violin Concerto, Bartók: The Wooden Prince Christian Tetzlaff, London Symphony Orchestra, Pierre Boulez, conductor Barbican Centre, London 27 February 2000 Berio: Notturno/Sciarrino: Recitativo oscuro/Schoenberg: Pelleas und Melisande Maurizio Pollini, piano/London Symphony Orchestra/Pierre Boulez, conductor Boulez 2000 series, Barbican Hall, 2 March, 2000

And a smattering of Schulhoff, including his Sonata Erotica!

Lunch with this 1939 concerto.

Don't know, but in the meantime...

Next up for me, further evidence of the conspiracy to denude the human spirit. Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 in B flat major 50’ interval Reinbert de Leeuw Der nächtliche Wanderer 54’ UK premiere Peter Serkin piano BBC Symphony Orchestra Oliver Knussen conductor Of course we love 'Ollie' over here and he has been big at Tanglewood too (see the American composers thread). ** for my interest, can you guys outside UK listen to Proms on BBC radio iplayer? **

Yes of course, this is a complex culture which requires a lot to sustain it. Until it comes, you may well have to travel, same as you do for the Guggenheim. meanwhile I was just checking out the upcoming London Sinfonietta season --- https://issuu.com/londonsinfonietta/docs/1617_season_brochure_for_issuu in fact they discuss questions about support and audiemce in the brochure.

I certainly do know that it costs time as well as money to attend events. Music festivals do serve this purpose though of concentrating events and enabling vacation-style planning. It costs money, time, and you need to be able-bodied, and not everyone has all three. All I want to say is that the stuff is out there. Though whether anywhere can match London for music I'm not so sure...

And I believe I mentioned I was at the world premiere of Three Occasions back in 1988. That involved getting out of my armchair.

Of course I love this piece. I think it is pretty obvious what are the positions I am making fun of. One is the claim that Carter doesn't get done. When he was done extensively at Tanglewood I'm guessing nobody here went. No problem on the supply side.

yet another warhorse foisted on us by a globalised cabal of shady elites and experts - nothing to sing along with here after your fourteenth pint of ale - unlike a certain ninth we could all name let's take back control of whatever it is we think we have lost control of our minds?

Each to her/his own.

I was racking my brains to remember attending a Carter premiere. It was this. Carter was there. I can't remember what the rest of the concert was, but if I find the program I will let you know. I may have heard other of his orchestral works in concert, but I am struggling to remember and I think I would if I had. Three Occasions for Orchestra 1986-1989 I. A Celebration... II. Remembrance III. Anniversary 3(II,III=picc).2.corA.2.bcl.2.dbn-4.3.3.1-timp.perc(2):vib/marimba/xyl/3susp.cym/BD/glsp -pft(=cel)-strings(16.14.12.10.8) 9790051094806 (Full score) World Premiere: 05 Oct 1989 London, Royal Festival Hall, United Kingdom BBC Symphony Orchestra Conductor: Oliver Knussen CBE

No. This is about records warping. I can see how you may have got confused and missed the point.