Jazz Kat

And others who can agree. Was it Chuck Flores who said it sounded like AT was just trying to sounded like Philly Joe?

Easy big fella, next you'll be wondering why Najee and the one who's name must not be spoken weren't included. Perhaps you are pondering at KENNY G!!!!! LOL! Sorry, I just had to do that. You ever feel like you wanna deck that guy in the face?

Rippington's=smooth jazz which then =crap. Never dis Spyro Gyra! Especially their early stuff. Weather Report, either! I mentioned The Ripps all those cuz they weren't mentioned, but I mean I guess they deserve a place somewhere in jazz.

I'd say 30 years. They do a good job at 1960's avant garde, a little bit of Davis and the whole fusion thing, but no jazz rock like Weather Report, or modern groups like Spyro Gyra, and The Rippingtons.

and Grant Green...

Art Taylor?

what? read? NO WAY!!! , just kidding. I'll look into it. If that's not interesting reading, what is?

Peter Jolly! who passed away last month.

My guess it is only worth as much as it is old. BUt you got a lot of jazz collectors out there who would love that rare gem, so that might be more. It is probaly around the same price of the Time issue with Dave Brubeck.

Can someone decribe his music further to me?

I guess he just thought he was adopted, and didn't want to face the facts!

Taylor didn't revolutionalize anything! You could put Philly Joe and and AT in the same room, put a blind fold on your face, let them play one at a time, you wouldn't know the difference. Sure Art was a great drummer. His technique was tremendous. It just wasn't anything new. He was in the school of the drummers that Philly started. Soultrane is one date of his I love. Great drumming! Listen to Countdown on Giant Steps, he's cookin'!

Thank you!

"Passion for the music" isn't something that comes to all automatically. It grows from experience, practice and study. I was TERRIBLE in jr. high- never practiced, wasn't into the music at all. When I discovered jazz in high school I found something that I could relate to and started working harder. Once I started to experience a little success, the passion started to grow and continues to do so. If you want to be a player it's not just about listening to great music, although that's one of the major ingredients. You've got to spend a LOT of time with your instrument, practicing and jamming w/others. I'd recommend studying privately w/a professional if that is a possibility for you. When learning the specifics of the instrument you should study with a guitarist; for learning improvisation you have more options- you can study with guitarists, saxophonists, pianists, etc. I try and spend as much time as possible, playing my instrument. I try to get at least 4 hours a day, sometimes I'm not so lucky. In the summer time, I pretty much get about 9 hours. My parents always crack down on me saying, "Damn, can't you like anything else besides music? Thats all you're into. When we're in the car, you're listening to your jazz. Jazz, jazz jazz! That's why your school work is suffering! " I hope to get a guitar teacher a little bit down the road.

Umm, don't people know where he was born? Like what hospital, or is his certificate gone, and no one has no track of him? And is that why he is from Saturn?

I think for beginners playing memorized written-out solos is not such a bad first step, provided that the one writing them out knows what they're doing. There obviously comes a point where playing written solos becomes a crutch and inhibits growth, but as a starting point it's a way to become aquainted with the jazz vocabulary. All the rhythm section problems you describe are common for beginners. Be patient as they learn. I would expect there are things that you could improve upon in your playing, too! Don't be the "guy who thinks he's better than everyone in the band". Whether or not that might be true, people don't like being around someone like that. Help out those who need help. Be a mentor. And regarding your last sentence, this is not your music, it's EVERYONE'S music. And welcome to the board- there is much to learn here. Yes, I hate the ego-crazed musicians too. Maybe if these kids had passion for the music, I could see it like that. But I mean, none of them love music. I'm sure they just see it as another thing to do, or at least something their parents make them do. Well since starting on a new instrument very recently, my playing could improve A LOT! I got the passion for hopefully becoming great one day, I hope.

Sun Ra. I have a video clip of him, and Philly Joe Jones, and Don Cherry. Did this guy really think he was from Saturn?

Speaking of memorizing solos, I guess you'd be as surprised as I was when in the school jazz band, the kids pplay written and memorized solos! When I first heard they all sounded the same I was like what, are those already written down? Someone's like yeah. These other kids can't play jazz for their lives. You should of seen these other kids trying to make up their own bass lines because the teacher said they had to start doing that. It was like one not the whole time. Then when they finally changed a note, it was so, Not in the right key! Their bass lines are so stiff, and do not swing at all. The drummers play with lead feat with the bass drum heavy on 1 and 3, the snare on 2 and 4, and the stiffest jazz ride pattern. And the guitarist? He's the best soloist there, but all he does is modern blues solos, like BB King. That's all he knows how to do. He has no imagination in his playing. Im about to yank the guitar off him, and show em' how its done! Excuse me here, I get a little emotional about my music sometime.

I have to get that one. I saw the soft cover one first, asked for it for Christmas and got the hard cover one.

You might be shocked by this one, but Ornett Coleman. Although he is known to about practically every jazz fan on the earth, he was overlooked as a vital player in jazz movement. Many overlooked his playing, Miles even called him all screwed up inside. Overlooked as a person? I guess not. But as a player, I would say so.

That's the answer I wanted. Now if I can only convince these other guys.

Wow, I'm spinning two of those now. Young and Braith's albums.

Thank you very much! B-)

George Braith's 2 Souls In 1 which I got yesterday was an lp. I got about 100 lps. Blue Train, most of Ramsey Lewis's trio stuff, and Dave Brubeck. Ahmad jamal, and Miles on vinyl. I had a record player before I even had a cd player!