Big Al

YESSS!!!!!!

Pity. Had he lived, he coulda been the sixth Byrd (can you imagine him playing on "Eight Miles High?")

Yeah, but as much as it happens here, it must be fun... I thought that was one of the prerequisites for membership! :rsmile:

Like I said before, I wish I had the kind of eloquence that JSngry has. Thanks for verbalizing what I had trouble saying.

Maybe it's not "The Preacher" but a song based on the same chords?

Well, FWIW, I've never been comfortable with these passages, either, and I understand where you’re coming from. But look at the church today: are we, by and large, still following to the tenets of these commands? I don’t think so. I mean, mainstream Christianity isn’t like the televangelist-church-of-the-what’s-happening-now type. I like to think it’s a lot like my church. We have women in authority in all sorts of capacities. My cousin and her husband are both ordained ministers. A couple of dear lady-friends of mine are ordained ministers. Is their preaching wrong? Just because they’re women? I seriously doubt it. It’s days like this that I wish I had the eloquence of a JSngry or a jazzypaul to get my point across. They say what I want to say, only they say it so much better than I ever could. I hope you guys have a great gig. Wish I could be there to catch it.

Again, I'll grant you that men over the years have used this as the ultimate tool for abuse. Hard not to see why. But these evil men leave out the single most-important part of this passage, the last line: The man is only allowed this kind of respect if he deserves it, and the only way he deserves it is by honoring his wife. You don’t honor your wife by treating her as a slave, a maid, a sex toy, etc. You honor her by treating her as a human being, as one worthy of only the highest love, honor, and praise. I have a hard time believing, even in the culture in which this was written, that Peter was issuing a free pass for men to beat their wives into submission. Again, I wish I could see the letters Peter was responding to. (EDITED cuz I didn't wanna leave the whole quote in there, conserve space & all that)

Well now, here's a nice little contradiction that perhaps one better scholared in theology than I can answer: this phrase is thrown out many times. But certainly you've read of all the women in Acts, those who led worship and churches as they grew? On the surface, this quote is very sexist. I’ll also grant you that men over the years have used this passage as justification for all manner of horrible acts done to women over the years. I seriously doubt that was Timothy’s intent when he wrote what he wrote. Hey, my boss is a woman. Am I going to hell? I doubt it.

So how does this, in and of itself, "degrade" women? Nowhere does it say that women are to be mistreated, abused, raped, tortured, etc. I'll grant you that men over the years have taken your quote out of context to give them free reign to do just that. It's times like this I wish we could see the letters that Paul was answering.

Never mind, I found it: 1 Corinthians.

Can you clarify which letter of Paul you're referring to?

I meant to add that it's pretty pathetic. Well, yeah..... that's why I'm so ecstatic: there's hope for me yet!!!

I can't believe I actually guessed an artist correctly!!!! Woo hoo!!! The last time this happened was on JSngry's BFT, way back when!!!

I had some folks givin' me some serious grief for not having this one! So much greeeeeaze, so little time!!!! I dunno.... I love Ben, but this just doesn't have that breathy sound that he cultivated so richly as the years went by. Plus, doesn't it just make sense that Dan would top off his BFT with a song featuring the great GH?

Besides me, that is!

Yeah..... the PRISON bus!!! What's wrong with these people? Probably got their radios on too loud while they talk on the cel phone with the windows rolled up and the AC going full-blast!

Boy, am I glad this happens to other people!

What.... hair styles perhaps?

In fact, didn't she garner an Oscar nomination for her role in "Livin' Out Loud?" If not for acting, then for singing? I remember her singing a song from that movie at the Oscars that year, and she knocked me out! Since then, I've been hoping she'd do a project like this!

Couldn't agree with you more about Latifah. The lady's got some chops! I'm looking forward to this one. The Kylie album OTOH.......

Peter Leitch's UP FRONT comes to mind. I traded my copy ages ago and wish I hadn't!

Thank you, jazzypaul!

Wonder when they're gonna put up some more RVG's?

Well, as I said before, I don't doubt or question your intent; only your methodology. I hold no anger towards you, and hope that we actually will meet face-to-face, if not here then in Heaven. Peace.

A great choice! Can't wait to begin discussing this one!