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I hear ya. There's also the matter of frequency, in addition to intensity. I said I'd raised my voice (and I mean like Baldwin in terms of volume) only a few times, but that doesn't mean I'm suggesting that we're the Ozzie Nelson family over here. I guess what I'm trying to emphasize (and again, I know it's somewhat idealistic, especially in the current climate/culture) is that even if a relationship is rocky and confrontations are frequent, people need to at least keep in mind that losing control to the point of unleashing potentially harmful verbal abuse is something that can and should be avoided at all costs. Making up is wonderful and all that, but once it's out, it's out, and serious regret (and a later need for therapy) may be the result. I've made plenty of mistakes as a parent and otherwise, so I'm not trying to preach to anybody... I just wanted to voice this opinion and agree with those who think it's just plain unacceptable to talk to a child like that.

I know of Baldwin the actor (and have enjoyed his comedic side, fwiw), but I almost never pay any attention to Hollywood gossip and such. I'm also not into politics. I've seen him interviewed as well, and he seems like a nice (and relatively normal) enough guy. In other words, I bring no biases to this discussion. I'm not here to judge the guy. BUT, Imho, the actual content of the tirade is over the top. I have a 19 year-old daughter, and I've certainly raised my voice at her a few times (only a few, I'm proud to say), but using that kind of language and "going on the attack" like that- especially to a pre-teen- is beyond reasonable, I'd say. In other words, it's flat out unacceptable, whether it was made public or kept private. I'm sure she probably "had it coming" in some way, but no kid deserves it to this degree. So, although I agree with most of Jim Sangrey's words, I can't quite concur with the "normal enough" comment. If that's idealistic in today's world, then so be it, but I believe that verbal abuse can do as much or more damage as physical abuse. Call me old school, but speaking of "today's world", I just have to hold on to the opinion that everything is too much "in your face" these days. We can all aim higher in terms of controlling ourselves. All that said, I'd much prefer that things like this wouldn't become public (although if that's what it takes for people to get help, then I suppose it may be a blessing).

Well, as usual I've been sleepwalking. I didn't know this Turrentine release was planned at all. At any rate, I've had the vinyl twofer ("Best Album"; BN-LA 394-H2) for years, and have been hoping that the '67 material arranged by Pearson would see the light of day again on CD. Now I'm really curious to see what's going to be included. Since I've got an online discog page opened, here's some data (not going to vouch for its accuracy, btw) regarding the material Swinging Swede refers to, for those who may be interested: Stanley Turrentine Tentet Donald Byrd (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Joe Farrell (ts, fl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) Kenny Barron (p) Bucky Pizzarelli (g) Ron Carter (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, February 17, 1967 1839 tk.4 She's A Carioca Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1840 tk.9 Samba Do Aviao - 1841 tk.14 Manha De Carnaval Blue Note LT 993 1842 tk.15 What Now, My Love? - 1843 tk.24 Night Song Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1844 tk.32 Here's That Rainy Day Blue Note LT 993 1845 tk.41 Blues For Del - * Stanley Turrentine Best Album (Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2) * Stanley Turrentine - New Time Shuffle (Blue Note LT 993) Stanley Turrentine Tentet Blue Mitchell, Tommy Turrentine (tp) Julian Priester (tb) Jerry Dodgion (as, fl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Al Gibbons (ts, bcl) Pepper Adams (bars, cl) McCoy Tyner (p) Walter Booker (b) Mickey Roker (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 9, 1967 1904 tk.16 With This Ring Blue Note unissued 1905 tk.15 Silver Tears - 1906 tk.20 A Bluish Bag - 1907 tk.26 Come Back To Me - 1908 tk.30 The Days Of Wine And Roses - 1909 tk.45 Message To Michael Blue Note rejected Stanley Turrentine Orchestra Joe Shepley, Marvin Stamm (tp, flh) Garnett Brown, Julian Priester (tb) Al Gibbons (as, fl, bcl) Stanley Turrentine (ts) Joe Farrell (ts, fl) Mario Rivera (bars) McCoy Tyner (p) Bob Cranshaw (b) Ray Lucas (d) Duke Pearson (arr) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 23, 1967 1910 tk.4 Better Luck Next Time Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1911 tk.11 Bonita - 1912 tk.14 Return Of The Prodigal Son Blue Note LT 993 1913 tk.16 Flying Jumbo (Prez Delight) Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2 1914 tk.27 Ain't No Mountain High Enough Blue Note LT 993 1915 tk.32 New Time Shuffle - * Stanley Turrentine Best Album (Blue Note BN-LA 394-H2) * Stanley Turrentine - New Time Shuffle (Blue Note LT 993)

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Interesting... I don't really fully agree (at least I don't think I do... in terms of specifically comparing their sonic personalities), but at the very least we can observe that Green was also influenced by Raney. There's even less of a similarity in sound between Raney and Green, imo, but at least Thomas had a bit more of an "edginess" to his attack and sound, like Grant. I wonder if Green ever heard much (or any) of R.T. I suspect that Thomas heard some of Green's work on Blue Note, but by then Thomas' sound was already well formed. If Green dug Raney (and he did), I would guess he'd have dug R.T. at least as much or even more. Oh, there's nothing specific in their styles that links one to the other. I agree Thomas couldn't have been influenced by Green and I doubt very much if Green heard Thomas at all. Raney is a possible link, as you say. But it's more the way each swings with an organ; they both FLY! And the way they both seem to attach importance to space; is that a Raney thing? I'm not familiar with Raney's style. MG I see. I don't think too much emphasis should be placed on comparing Green and Thomas (with or without an organ present), I guess that was my main point. Raney was most certainly a link, being a primary influence on R.T. and also on GG, though perhaps less so (he did go on record as saying that Raney influenced him to some extent). I think Thomas probably used space more overtly than Raney- especially in his later years. I think Thomas' style evolved more overtly over time than did Raney's. Also, I'd say that Raney was always more a bopper, whereas Thomas evolved from that strong Raney influence into somewhat of a hard bopper (and beyond, when you take into account his work on Getz's "Dynasty" and some other later work where he gets further away from his bebop roots).

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Interesting... I don't really fully agree (at least I don't think I do... in terms of specifically comparing their sonic personalities), but at the very least we can observe that Green was also influenced by Raney. There's even less of a similarity in sound between Raney and Green, imo, but at least Thomas had a bit more of an "edginess" to his attack and sound, like Grant. I wonder if Green ever heard much (or any) of R.T. I suspect that Thomas heard some of Green's work on Blue Note, but by then Thomas' sound was already well formed. If Green dug Raney (and he did), I would guess he'd have dug R.T. at least as much or even more.

For those who may not be big guitar fans (and not inclined to buy a lot of guitar recordings), but want something representative by the greatest players... this is THE disc to get by Rene Thomas, imo. One to get not only for the superb playing by René Thomas but for J.R. Monterose in one of his best sideman appearance! Agreed. Brownie, I meant to ask you... how does your vinyl sound? I had two different original copies of this, and even the one that looked perfect was rather noisy. Jazzland vinyl was always kind of hit and miss for me, but after two tries on this LP, I gave up (just as well really, I was very happy when the CD came out).

He did two of his own. Three, actually.

For those who may not be big guitar fans (and not inclined to buy a lot of guitar recordings), but want something representative by the greatest players... this is THE disc to get by Rene Thomas, imo.

If I said that, we'd be talking about 1971. I'm not so sure the Mavs aren't hoping they can win at least on game. I mean, we're the only team in the league they couldn't beat this year... and how much better are we since "the trade"? I tend to agree with Jim Barnett that Avery Johnson gave us that game last night because he wanted to see us get into the 7th spot and play Phoenix (for those who haven't been following this, if not for the Lakers' late run tonight against Sacto, we'd be playing the Suns in the 1st round). I'm not predicting that the Warriors will advance, but I'm not exactly afraid of the Mavs either (and I really don't think Nellie is). If the Warriors can stay as hot as they've been over the last couple of weeks, it should be a great series.

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Damn. I was counting on the Suns to take care of business at home tonight. I heard the Blazers are having a big fanfest and celebration of the anniversary of the Ramsay/Walton/Lucas/etc championship... plus it's the last game of the season. The W's are going to have to be ready and focused. The Clips should win at home. I know Avery is just looking to give himself the best chance to win their first playoff game, but the W's/Mavs was a joke. I mean, it was over before they completed the first quarter. I can see resting your starters, but having almost all of them come out in street clothes? They might as well have forfeited. They could have done like Phoenix where the Suns waited until the latter part of the game to take out their big guns in that last matchup with the W's. Tonight was a dull game, and I"m not keen on the charity factor- especially when they haven't beaten us this year. I'm sure the Clippers aren't too thrilled about it either. If the W's do take the Blazers, and the Lakers lose to the Kings tomorrow, we get Phoenix in the first round... I still would rather play Dallas (no disrespect, just a matchup thing).

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I hear you... Dallas will be tough to beat regardless of previous meetings, and we just haven't played well at Portland. The more I think about it, though, I want the 8th spot- not the 7th. We're capable of beating the Suns now and then, but we're better off going to war against the Mavs (...but I'm NOT going to start counting my chickens just yet )

Damn... I had to miss it, but the W's led by as much as 42 (in the 3rd Q) today against the KG-less T-Wolves, and coasted to a 13 point win. Clips LOSE! I gotta go see if FSN is gonna replay this one. Lakers play the Sonics tonight, and they're in serious danger of dropping to the 8th spot... Although we've owned the Mavs lately, I'm not sure I want to finish in 8th and play them... the match-up on Tuesday will be interesting.

"From all the books about jazz in general and jazz guitar in particular (except my Oscar Aleman discography of course !!) this great book of Charles Alexander ( it has a bonus CD too - I'll discuss that item later) has the most lines dedicated to Oscar Aleman - 15." Not sure I understand... "most lines"? The two main books that I've had for years- Maurice Summerfield's THE JAZZ GUITAR (1978) and Norman Mongan's THE HISTORY OF THE GUITAR IN JAZZ (1983) both offer more lines than that. Mongan actually devoted a few pages to Aleman, including a solo transcription of "Sweet Sue". Neither has much of a discography, though, if that's what you meant.

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