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Bop vocalese--does it hold up for you at all?
Jim R replied to ghost of miles's topic in Miscellaneous Music
I'm a big fan of jazz vocals and have posted in threads on the topic here. I just don't like most scat; after Armstrong, Leo Watson, and Ella the scat pickings get mighty thin, in my opinion. I think Sarah deserves some props here too. Also, the aforementioned Joe Carroll. Actually, I think there are quite a few others who have done it well, but it tended to happen in smaller doses (especially if we're comparing people with Ella and Louis). That's good, imo, because like vocalese, I think it's better to listen to it in smaller doses. I know what you mean, but I'd say that's a bit harsh (and taken along with some of the other comments here, I guess I've been nudged over the edge ). It really is very much an endeavor that requires great artistic skill (and I know that the requirement isn't always fulfilled). I think it really helps to read the lyrics, if possible, to better appreciate what someone like Jon Hendricks has accomplished. Hell, if you don't have access to them in written form, you may not be able to get them all, at the rate he sometimes squeezed phrases in to fit the music. To amend what I said in my previous post, I often realize that I can really appreciate Hendricks most of the time (despite what I referred to as a somewhat weak voice), but L,H&R appealed to me less as a group. I can appreciate and enjoy Dave Lambert to some extent, but Annie Ross never really won me over... and that's being polite about it (just personal taste... I recognize her talent, and all that). So, I'm more likely to listen to "Freddie Freeloader" or the Manhattan Transfer's "Vocalese" than an L,H&R disc. I guess I've been a bit frustrated a bit over the years on this board by people bashing vocalese (and in some cases, jazz vocals in general) while simultaneously admitting that they're "not very familiar with it". I know... the chances are fairly good that these people will never like it (and fair enough), but at least try it out for awhile (and/or learn something about it) before you pee on it. [btw, this is a generalization about a sense I've gotten from many threads and posters, so I'm not trying to point a finger at anybody who's posted here- in fact I haven't tried to zero in on who said what. Fwiw...] At any rate, I'll admit that there's a lot of crap out there, but one can look for something potentially good, give it a chance, and go from there. -
K.C. and the sunshine band L.C. Good Rockin' Robinson M.C. Hammer N.C. Wyeth* O.C. Smith* P.C., Mr.* (* bonus material)
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Clifford Brown Max Roach on the Suppy Sales Show 1955.
Jim R replied to Hardbopjazz's topic in Artists
Mark, thank you very much for sharing that very informative and well-written article. I had Googled like crazy looking for details like this, and found almost nothing. -
Dee Dee Sharp Lester Flatt Tommy Tune
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Blue Moses Randy Weston Sheena Easton
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Great Caesar's Ghost Great Scot Pete, For the love of
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Clifford Brown Max Roach on the Suppy Sales Show 1955.
Jim R replied to Hardbopjazz's topic in Artists
Brown-Roach? In the Burns segment I've seen, there's no sign of Max, nor any other musicians for that matter. As youmustbe indicates, it was just Brownie alone in front of the curtain, and the brief interview with Soupy. I haven't tried the Belden download (not on my good computer at the moment), but I'm not aware of any further footage... Brief or not, a grainy kinescope... this is still a total treasure. -
Bop vocalese--does it hold up for you at all?
Jim R replied to ghost of miles's topic in Miscellaneous Music
That's my feeling as well. I've always dug Eddie's voice to some degree (and as long as I'm mentioning actual voice quality, Hendricks drew the shorter straw there, I'd have to say), but his lyrics have never really done it for me on a consistent level. Hendricks, on the other hand... Of course, it's the proverbial apples and oranges. Two totally different approaches, but for me, Eddie's lyrics- while they can be fun- just don't have the depth and interest of those of Hendricks. I'm with Alexander re Hendricks' "Freddie Freeloader" CD. The Manhattan Transfer's "Vocalese" album (with Hendricks, Dizzy Gillespie, the Basie orch., Tommy Flanagan, Richard Davis, Philly Joe Jones, James Moody, Bobby McFerrin, McCoy Tyner, Ron Carter, Grady Tate, Walter Davis Jr., Richie Cole, and Dick Hindman) is another relatively modern example that's worth picking up. For the older stuff, I always dug LH&R's "The Swingers" on World Pac (oop). I've gotten more and more tired of scatting, but I think it still has its place. As long as it's done well (please, no more of those Mel-via-Ella cliche-ge-ge-ge-ges ). -
Reginald Perrin Valerie Perrine Tony Purrone
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... for starters (I still have never gotten around to fully researching this) add: "Stable Mable", "Strings & Things", and "More Than You Know" (all on Steeplechase). There are also a number of private recordings and radio broadcasts listed in Sjøgren where he used the soprano. Oh, and don't believe it until you hear it for yourself. I've seen several of Dexter's discs erroneously described online where he is listed as having used the ss. Even the Steeplechase website has a goof: Loose Walk info
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Nancy Witt The Laughing Policeman Face, Elroy
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Help! Anyone know about printing photos?
Jim R replied to The Magnificent Goldberg's topic in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
If it were me, I'd start by taking a closer look at my garden. -
Harpers Bizarre Dobie Strange Oddfellows
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Do People With Big Heads Scare You?
Jim R replied to JSngry's topic in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
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Santa Claus (also jolly... ...and also says "ho ho ho"... wore green in his early years... wow) Nick Nolte Sir Georg Solti
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RIP, Marc. Thanks for the update, Jon.
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Gioachino Rossini Clayton Moore Dennis Moore
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Yeah, I'll be getting some of those other titles. As I said earlier in this thread, I had almost all of their 70's LP's back in the day. I don't rememeber that cutoff at all... maybe it's just my aging brain. I forgot to mention it, but I also picked up the "At The Lighthouse" CD when I bought the two I mentioned. That one I never had on vinyl. Oh, and be careful at Dusty Groove. We joke around here at how they seem to empty everybody's wallets unmercifully. I've been buying (too much) from them for about seven years now... great source, great service.
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Band Of Brothers The Isley Brothers Thing
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Heinz Ward Del Monte, Heraldo The Flying Tomato
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... I was talking about Dusty Groove (just a little joke there).
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Everson Walls Dwight Clark A catcher in the rye
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These are my favorite two Crusaders albums from the funky latter days. "Mystique Blues" and "A Message From The Inner City." Yeah! I was just browsing at Musty Groove, and noticed they've got this in the new arrivals ($13.99): Better image.
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