Jim R

Great album. Here's the original Hi Fi Jazz cover... (note the colored-in area where a price sticker was torn off... I think that could have been MY copy! )

I concluded it was late Django too, although I could have been more definitive about it. ===== BLUE'S MOODS!! Only one of my favorite trumpet albums of all time. Oh well, at least I was warm. I gotta grab that Barry Harris disc (one of the few of his that I don't have), and the Reece as well. Many thanks for a great test, Marty.

Scott, I kind of like your reasoning for bringing Adu to the WC finals. The main problem being that they may need to save roster spots for more experienced players. At any rate, I think Freddy will have plenty of time to blossom, both in MLS and for the national team. I'd still like to hear more details from some of our members around the world regarding the current status of their teams' qualification process (and any other armchair analysis they'd care to offer Don't let Scott and I go overboard here! ).

Nah, I understood what you meant. And, I know the Hartman session won't be everybody's highlight... just a longtime dream of mine that this would happen. Anyway, there's definitely something for just about every Trane fan here, it seems. As Jim says, in addition to what's been unearthed in the past, the scope of this is just.... (enter adjective that hasn't been abused ) I also suspect you're right about the waiting time on this, and I have the same concerns about partial release. Oh well, I'll take what I can get, and I'm willing to be patient... ... within reason, of course.

SS, watch for a PM soon...

I understand the "more of the same" comments, but I'm still very excited about hearing more from some of these sessions, especially BALLADS, and the session with Johnny Hartman. Every since I heard the latter album all those years ago, I have been hoping and dreaming that somebody might someday discover more material from that masterpiece of a collaberation, which after all was less than 32 minutes in total length. It doesn't even bother me all that much that "Afro Blue" is supposedly weak... I'm eager to hear what occured on those alternate takes.

Just fired off a PM

"This Is Billy Butler" and "Guitar Soul" - Porter; RVG

Willis Jackson- 6/18/64 (Lampley; no eng. listed) "Soul Grabber" (Lampley; RVG) "Star Bag" (Lampley; RVG) "Swivel Hips" (Porter; RVG) "Gator's Groove" (Porter; RVG)

Stitt- "Pow!" (Sup. Richard Carpenter; no eng. listed) "Soul Electricity!" (Porter; RVG) "Night Letter" (Porter; RVG) "Night Crawler" (Lampley; RVG) "Turn It On!" (Porter; RVG) Freddie McCoy- "Lonely Avenue" (Lampley; RVG) "Spider Man" (Lampley; RVG) "Funk Drops" (Lampley; RVG) (4/10/67) (Lampley; RVG) (5/4/67) (Lampley; RVG) (10/2/67) (Lampley; RVG) (10/4/67) (Lampley; RVG) (1/24/68) (Lampley; RVG) "Soul Yogi" (Lampley; RVG) "Listen Here" (Lampley; no eng. listed)

For Ammons Nov 10/11 '69, Ruppli lists NYC (Sup. Bob Porter; RVG) ===== I overlooked a few pages of 1970/71 issues. RVG is listed as the engineer for every NY session between January '70 and May '71 (including a few pages of additions toward the end of the book), except for the following: Eric Kloss "Consciousness" (Sup. Schlitten; Eng. Goodman) Dexter Gordon "The Panther" (Sup. Schlitten; Eng. Goodman) Dexter Gordon "LOVE!" ("The Jumpin' Blues") (Sup. Schlitten; Eng. Goodman) ===== Location recordings: Trudy Pitts- (Live at Baron's, NYC 5/24/68) Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. Orville O'Brien Charles McPherson- "The Quintet - Live" (Five Spot, 10/13/66) Sup. Schlitten; Eng. Jerry Newman Groove Holmes- "Live at Basie's" (4/22/66) Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. RVG

Pele'? Wow, I hadn't heard that one. He was marketed over here like a pop star. It was all kind of "cute"... fans were coming out to see this new phenom, and he wasn't even getting into the games. I saw him on TV about a dozen times in interviews and little "get to know Freddy" spots before I ever saw him in an actual game. He's definitely got some talent, but my skepticism about his near-term prospects have more to do with strength, maturity, and of course experience.

Skimming through the book now, I see that Alderson was indeed on a great deal of sessions (many already mentioned) from '65 to '68. RVG is scattered in there, as well. In '69, some different names begin to pop up in NY in addition to RVG's continued presence: Dave Jones (the aforementioned Kloss, Cedar Walton's "Electric Boogaloo Song" (1/14) George Klabin (Pucho & LSB "Dateline"; James Moody "Don't Look Away Now"; Illinois Jacquet Big Band "The Soul Explosion"; Dexter's sessions with Moody) Danfort Griffiths (Kloss "To Hear Is To See"; Walton "Soul Cycle"; Byard "Solo Piano"; Eddie Jefferson "Come Along With Me"; Jacquet "The Blues- That's Me"; "Tal Farlow Returns") Paul Goodman (Barry Harris "Magnificent"; Charles McPherson "McPherson Mood")

Johnny Hammond Smith - All RVG Sonny Stitt - All RVG where indicated

True, but at least the Monk/Trane Carnegie Hall material seems to have been processed relatively quickly. I'm still kind of amazed that this thread isn't seeing more action... (despite the private communication that Lon mentions)... maybe there are more Trane fans on vacation than I'd figured... or maybe we're all getting kind of blase' about great discoveries with the incredible string we've been on? ... or, maybe I AM actually dreaming this.

Uh... no, it doesn't. I'm trying to be careful, though, I promise.

George Braith - 4 sessions, all listed as RVG Frank Foster - 3 sessions, all listed as RVG Byrdie Green - 3 sessions, all listed as RVG Groove Holmes - All RVG, except for 4/26,27/67 sessions in Chicago Gatortail Jackson - All RVG where indicated Freddie McCoy - All RVG where indicated Jack McDuff - Of the few sessions in the late 60's, no engineer indicated Don Patterson - Non RVG: "Funk You" (9/24/68) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson "Opus De Don" (6/5/68) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Orville O'Brien "Boppin' And Burnin'" (2/22/68) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson "Four Dimensions" (8/25/67) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson Houston Person - Non RVG: "Blue Odyssey" (3/12/68) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson "Trust In Me" (10/13/67) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson "Chocomotive" (6/14/67) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson Trudy Pitts - All studio sessions by RVG Pucho & Latin Soul Brothers - Non RVG: "Dateline" (2/11/69) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. George Klabin "Heat!" (4/23/68) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson "Big Stick" (12/5/67) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson "Shuckin' And Jivin'" (8/9/67) NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson Freddie Roach - All RVG

Sonny Criss sessions where someone other than RVG is listed as engineer: Up, Up and Away (8/18/67) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson The Beat Goes On (1/12/68) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson Sonny's Dream (5/8/68) - L.A.; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Mickey Crawford Rockin' In Rhythm (7/2/68) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson I'll Catch The Sun (1/20/69) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Peter Abbott

Thanks, Mike. I just didn't want to be throwing info at you that you already had. The Kloss sessions: Introducing Eric Kloss (9/1/65) - NYC; Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. RVG Eric Kloss (3/14/66) - NYC; Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. RVG Love And All That Jazz (4/11/66) - NYC; Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. RVG Eric Kloss (12/21/66) - NYC; Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. RVG Grits And Gravy (12/22/66) - NYC; Sup. Cal Lampley; Eng. RVG First Class Kloss (7/14/67) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson Life Force (9/18/67) - NYC (no further data) We're Going Up (12/22/67) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson Sky Shadows (8/13/68) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Richard Alderson In The Land Of The Giants (1/2/69) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Dave Jones To Hear Is To See (7/22/69) - NYC; Sup. Don Schlitten; Eng. Danfort Griffiths

Mike, this is why I asked whether Ruppli is reliable (in terms of the specific supervisor/engineer info that's actually given). Perhaps you have the same info I have (mine is apparently the first edition, July '72), but I'm still not clear whether I can contribute anything. Taking Eric Kloss as an example, there are about 10 sessions, and only the first few are listed as being engineered by RVG. About six or seven of the later ones were engineered by a variety of other men...

Mike, just so I'm clear, are you saying that Ruppli's Prestige discog is generally unreliable in this regard? I have a copy, which lists supervisor and engineer for many sessions (although specific studio info is not given... "New York" is used generically for anything recorded in the area).

Among those, I think Dempsey shows the most promise (at least in the near term). Convey already has a number of caps, but he strikes me as kind of a fill-in guy. He's got good pace and endurance, but hasn't shown me that extra intangible quality that separates the stars from the utility players. He had a pretty decent game against T&T, I thought, but faded late in the game as he tired (blew one good scoring chance, and got himself ejected by virtue of a second yellow on a late challenge). He needs to develop more power when it comes to shots and crosses, IMO. Gavin and Adu are still so young... but they could develop into solid contrubutors. Noonan seems to have enough toughness for the world stage, but his strengths are positioning and hustle. Not the greatest ball skills yet, IMO. Dempsey has shown very well in several matches. With more strength and experience, he should become a much used player. Agree 100% He's a leader, has a good nose for the goal in addition to his abilities in the air, and he has toughness and heart. I'll never forget the match he had against Coutu and Portugal. Interesting, Scott... I think I felt that way for a long time, but more recently I've come to accept him more for what he does. I don't particularly like to watch him play most of the time (kind of dull to watch such a conservative, workhorse type player), but I think he provides a lot of stability to our game. I think he's gotten much stronger and probably smarter over the past few years. For a long time I feared that he would be unable to overcome all the injuries and have to be replaced by a younger man, but he seems (to me) to have recharged his batteries, despite (or perhaps because of) the rigors of the EPL. At any rate, I think we can play well without him when necessary, but I'm kind of glad he's still around. I'm just glad Earnie Stewart is out of the picture now. Never liked his game at all. I think Josh Wolff's stock has gone down (at least in my eyes it has)... not sure about Clint Mathis, either. I'm really curious to see what some of the newer guys can do... but as you say, it may be too late to give them serious consideration for Germany at this relatively late stage. Not an older player, but I've been far less impressed with Beasley's play since he's been back from europe. He seems tentative and weak compared to the way he played in '02. I hope Eddie Pope will be fully fit come June. What do you think of Onyewu? Tremendous potential there, IMO. Like Bocanegra, the kid is a pretty lethal threat with his head on corners and set pieces!

The latter were originally on "Asch" and Stinson, I believe. I had the Asch 12" 78 version at one time.

I would tend to agree, but who knows really- there can be no definitive answer with the way the tournament is set up (and I'm not suggesting that I have a better system in mind). I would like to see the US team begin to get more respect, but I'd like it to be well earned. I'd like to think that we've begun to earn some, even going back to '94 when we got into the second round and had a respectable (0-1) showing against the Brazilians on July 4th in Palo Alto. The coaching blunders in '98 really set us back for a time in the world's eyes, but recovering from that under coach Arena and performing as we did in '02, I think we're moving into a new era. As I said above, I think our talent pool is vastly superior to what it was 8 or 12 years ago. I'm looking forward to see what younger players might step up and make spots for themselves on the squad that goes to Germany. I'm particularly interested in the development of our attacking players, as I think that's the area where we have the most potential to improve. Due to this new depth of talent, it's more difficult to keep up with player movements, injuries, promotions and demotions from Arena's "favorites" list, so I find this to be an exciting time. We've had a good degree of scoring success overall during qualifying using a variety of different forwards, some of whom haven't seen any action with the team for awhile (Brian Ching, Eddie Johnson to name a few). More recently some new faces have earned a spot (at least on the bench) such as Jeff Cunningham and Taylor Twellman. This is what I personally find very exciting. I think that some of these guys are becoming very good goal-scoring prospects, which is what could provide the final piece in the puzzle for us to become a more powerful side.

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