Jim R

In my opinion, it's probably somewhere in-between. As Brownie suggests, "Freedom" being a mixed bag (two separate sessions, and with a slightly funkier feel) might be generally less essential to hard bop fans, but then again it's high quality stuff. In fact shares some similarity to the "Midnight Blue" date, which has kind of become a default "classic" (I dig M.B. too, but I tend to think it might be slightly overhyped/overrated). "Swingin'" was a nice collection of 50's hard bop material from three different sessions, but as Mike said it's all been out as bonus material on different CD's. "K.B. Blues" (all three of these, in fact) might have achieved a higher reputation if it had been more widely distributed.

GXK 8154 I always thought the other one was the earlier issue, but I'm not sure.

Thanks Jim and Greg! It's a nice effect! I should've known this. As a youngster, I would use the same idea for recording certain piano sounds. I was trying to get those piano cloud sounds that you can hear on Weather Report's Milky Way from the first album. He must've been using a pedal? It would seem too difficult to do it any other way! Thanks again, Rod ← I think Billy used a pedal. I may have actually read something about his technique at some point in time, either in a mag article or liner notes of his LP's (which I've long since let go of). At any rate, it would be difficult (tedious) to do it as frequently as Butler did using the volume knob on the guitar. Some players like to use those knobs a lot, though (Roy Buchanan and Danny Gatton come to mind, but I know there are many others). BTW, my reference to Tiny Grimes referred more to his R&B recordings, I think. Don't recall that he did it much (if at all) in jazz settings, although I could be forgetting. I had an LP called "Rockin' & Sockin", with R&B material from the early 50's where he was using his volume knob for volume swells (no pedals in those days, right? ). ← Allen, you misundersood me. I said: "(I) Don't recall that he did it much (if at all) in jazz settings...". "It" refers to volume swells.

None of the above were LT's.

I've forgotten if "Wings and Things" (Verve) ever got released on CD outside the U.S....? "Joe's Blues"? (Johnny Hodges/Wild Bill Davis; Verve) Then there's the unissued ("rejected") quartet session (BN) from Nov. 26, 1960 with Wynton Kelly, PC, and PJJ.

Congratulations to the Dutch, the English, etc... and condolences to 1ngram and fans of the Scots. I haven't seen any really good games recently. In fact, I've been frustrated in watching the sport in general, mainly becuase I've seen several games in a row where there were egregious errors made (costing a few teams a precious goal) by linesmen in applying the offside rule. I'm not talking about any sort of subtle aspect of the rule, either. I'm talking about calling a man offside when he was FIVE YARDS onside when the ball was played through to him. I HATE seeing this- especially when it's a high level international game. These linesmen need to be schooled! As a former attacking player who had my share of absurd offside calls made against me (okay, I admit- it was only in recreational leagues ), I'm sensitive to this bullshit!! A well-timed run, a nicely timed pass, a well-taken goal... these are what (for me) go a long way to making the sport such a joy to watch. And then some idiot who isn't qualified to stand on the goddamned field, let alone make important calls, screws it all up. I know a lot of those calls are close (subjective), but for crying out loud, HOW can they get SO many easy ones wrong? Ahh... thanks for letting me vent. Time to go watch the U.S. vs Costa Rica (the linesmen better not screw up tonight).

Still Oct. 7 here. 1994 - Randy Johnston - "In A-Chord" (Muse) with Eric Alexander, Joey DeFrancesco, Mickey Roker ===== Oct. 8 1956 - Curtis Counce - "You Get More Bounce With Curtis Counce" (Contemporary) with Jack Sheldon, Harold Land, Carl Perkins, Frank Butler 1969 - Kenny Burrell - "Asphalt Canyon Suite" (Verve) with Roland Hanna, Johnny Pate (arr / cond) brass orchestra 1978 - Marian McPartland - "Piano Jazz, with Mary Lou Williams" (The Jazz Alliance) 1985 - Bobby Hutcherson - "Color Schemes" (Landmark) with Mulgrew Miller, John Heard, Billy Higgins, Airto Moreira 2001 - Howard Alden - "My Shining Hour" (Concord) solo

I agree with Mike. I also agree with those that said you all did a pretty good job of making selections, but as Mike also said, there's no way to do this without the subjective nature of the whole thing creating problems. I generally dislike the idea of attempting these sorts of "essential" lists... but that's just one man's opinion. I also think that even a tune-by-tune list will also leave room for problems (for the same reasons). I've seen these sorts of lists also, and invariably there always seem to be some major flaws pointed out by any number of people. But for educating a newcomer to the music, a tune-by-tune list would seem to make more sense. So... where's Wes Montgomery?

Rare LP no doubt, but that cover was used on the CD issue (still, kind of a "seldom seen" CD ).

I think this example definitely qualifies for this thread, because even if recordings are "known to exist", they're kind of difficult to hear until they're actually found!

I've had the TOCJ version for almost ten years, and I almost never reach for it. I've never really analyzed why that is, but Mr Russell may have nailed it. Also, I usually reach for the titles with Kenny Burrell.

That's not always the case, JK. I wish it were, though. Maybe you just haven't run up against any EVIL glue yet. Also, although I always try the technique suggested by JPF before I resort to the Goo Gone, and although it works most of the time for me too, there are still occasions when chemicals are required (and yes, price stickers- especially on used CD's- can be a real bitch).

The technique in question is actually been named The Bresnahan Maneuver (despite Kevin's protests - he's just being modest ) This problem was discussed at length on the old board after several of the early RVG batches were sealed with an industrial strength sticker which everyone was having trouble removing. ← You beat me to it, scott. I still think of Kevin every time I do it... Kevin you're IMMORTAL! If residue remains, I go with "Goo Gone" (very stupid name, but very good product).

I see this went unanswered Before her unfortunate accident, she used to carve pumpkins. Not only that, she used to live in Iowa. What kind of tool did she use to carve pumpkins? There's the tool that she used to carve pumpkins. Has that tool been used to carve pumpkins? If so, I have no use for that tool. I mean, what's the use of using a used pumpkin-carving tool? I used to use a used pumpkin-carving tool, but I just couldn't get used to it. NEXT!

The wheels- are those Kenny G CD's?

Been there and done that (frustrating as hell, I know). It happened to me a few years ago when I was attempting to download a newer version of IE. I eventually realized I first needed to locate and download another bit of software (something called "open transport", as I recall). Anyway, my Mozilla download went extremely smoothly (in case anybody else wants any encouragement to at least give it a shot). A big to Jim for helping Larry get back on here. (that's not big enough... let's try this...)

No cats here. We're dog people. Just tryin' ta help. ← Dogs rule. Our German Shepherd catches a lot of rodents in our yard (we currently have a local rat problem, unfortunately). The only thing is, I have to pick them up and dispose of them- and hopefully I find the carcass within the first day or so. I didn't know cats consumed the mice they kill. I guess that's a good thing... but with rats there's disease to worry about. Our dog almost died last month. It was mysterious, but we're pretty sure it was leptospirosis (known to be carried by rats). But I digress. There doesn't seem to be a highly reliable as well as convenient method of rodent control. Poisons make me nervous (our next door neighbor is using some), and those traps seem like a big and ultimately ineffective hassle, from what I've heard.

Glad to have you back, Larry. I'm curious how you got the problem solved. Mozilla, perhaps? Some of us Mac users have been sharing our stories of surviving the board software switch in hopes that it would help those who were having trouble...

Thanks Jim and Greg! It's a nice effect! I should've known this. As a youngster, I would use the same idea for recording certain piano sounds. I was trying to get those piano cloud sounds that you can hear on Weather Report's Milky Way from the first album. He must've been using a pedal? It would seem too difficult to do it any other way! Thanks again, Rod ← I think Billy used a pedal. I may have actually read something about his technique at some point in time, either in a mag article or liner notes of his LP's (which I've long since let go of). At any rate, it would be difficult (tedious) to do it as frequently as Butler did using the volume knob on the guitar. Some players like to use those knobs a lot, though (Roy Buchanan and Danny Gatton come to mind, but I know there are many others). BTW, my reference to Tiny Grimes referred more to his R&B recordings, I think. Don't recall that he did it much (if at all) in jazz settings, although I could be forgetting. I had an LP called "Rockin' & Sockin", with R&B material from the early 50's where he was using his volume knob for volume swells (no pedals in those days, right? ).

Thanks for that info. I had lost track of Embrey. Haven't heard him in many years. I heard him on the radio once (probably early 90's or so), taking a wonderful solo on a Concord recording. Unfortunately I've forgotten who was leading the session, but Embrey sounded fantastic. I think it was before his association with Allyson (I could be wrong, though). I'm not particularly fond of Allyson, and kind of forgot about Embrey altogether. I had heard that he was working with a group in KC playing brazilian music, but I never was able to track down any recordings. Anyway, some of the best players I've ever heard have been guys that keep a relatively low profile (Louis Stewart, Reg Schwager, and Gray Sargent come to mind, although Gray is getting a lot of exposure with Tony Bennett these days).

Butler used that technique on a few of his albums. I was always under the impression that he was using a volume pedal (raising the volume after he'd attacked the note, lowering it, and repeating the process). Then again, he could have done it with the volume knob on his guitar (Tiny Grimes used to do something that sounded very similar, although he didn't employ it as much as Butler did).

Tommy left us nearly 4 years ago.

No "ostenutos" on that record?

Found one, but I can't seem to play it. Maybe somebody else can... http://launch.yahoo.com/release/168703 (track 5)