Jim R

I'm sure you probably realize this already, but I felt a need to say it anyway- don't lump ALL of Trane's Impulse recordings into one basket. Among the first ideas that would occur to me if I were in your situation: JOHN COLTRANE & JOHNNY HARTMAN; BALLADS; DUKE ELLINGTON & JOHN COLTRANE.

My wife entered my life almost 30 years ago, and I can not remember what life was like before we met. I also can't remember very well what life was like before our kids came along (our oldest is 16). Oh... yeah, we had two dogs, and THEY were our "kids" back then (do I get any points for remembering that, Al?). Anyway, I know what you mean, and I agree- life had far less meaning before. I mean, all I did back in the dark ages was collect music.......... ........... hmm, maybe things haven't changed THAT much! BTW, our son just hosted a "sleepover" (for about the third time). I'm still trying to figure out how we parents get talked into allowing this to happen! (they went to sleep a 4 am)

Boplicity put this out on CD in the late 80's. In 1994, it was released again on CD by Skylark Jazz, titled WAY PAST MIDNITE. The Skylark issue includes 9 extra tracks, which are a pretty dubious. They're labeled with these terms: "be-bop alternate track", "west coast unreleased mix", "unreleased be-bop take", and "west coast unreleased be-bop take". At least a couple of them seem identical to the master takes, except that the alternates are faded out after Dexter's solo. In addition to that, a couple of titles are mixed up. As if all this wasn't bad enough, there are some cheesy attempts to enhance the artwork (including the use of the original cover photo with little pink and turquoise stars added); and there's a bogus looking Good Housekeeping-type "seal of quality" on the back. The production, digital remastering AND the artwork were all done by one Wayne Stierle. Anybody know anything about this guy? BTW, the Sjøgren discography mentions four tracks having been issued in "edited versions" on different Dootone issues (the orinal Dootone # was 207, and the others referenced were 384 and 856). This is all greek to me, since the only LP version I ever owned was the Boplicity issue.

This board was running SO slow last night, ("HOW SLOW WAS IT") ... It was so slow, I almost got the urge to put on a Shirley Horn CD. Today does seem to be better.

Sort of like some of those surprises (track #7 comes to mind) on Tony's test?

As I told Dan privately some weeks ago (when discussing where the test was going after my turn was over), I think it's a good idea, but really wouldn't be unhappy if we continued with the "shoulder tap" process. In other words, I'll happily go along with the majority opinion.

* Barney Kessel, 1923 Joe Pass, 1929 ============ afaik, *Herb Ellis (see 1921) and *Mundell Lowe (see 1922) are still alive...

Many thanks, MIke. I had to go out today while it was on, but I managed to record much of it with my portable MiniDisc machine. I'm listening to it now, and in a few short minutes I've already learned a few things, of course in addition to enjoying the great music (some of which I already have in my collection).

Hmm... Rooster, I'm unclear who you're referring to, which makes me a little uncomfortable. Anyway, I want to go ahead and clarify about my post. My intent was not to single out undergroundagent, or to "bash" him. I'm actually more on his side of the argument on this particular incident, but at the same time that doesn't mean he's totally blameless (and YES, I know he apologized already, which was cool- I was just suggesting ways to avoid things like this happening in the first place). I probably should have made it more clear, but my comments were not just directed at undergoundagent, but universal. I was trying to suggest some positive ideas, and add a little levity. "So what if the guy's a little direct with his PM's, and a little light on the emoticon usage. That's just the way some people are". I disagree in general, although the key factor would be what "a little direct" involved (again, without focusing just on this specific incident). As for smilies, I don't mean to go on a crusade, BUT... I know some people hate 'em, but it's a simple fact that to refrain from using them can lead to problems (if the person being sarcastic or "direct" doesn't consider or care about the potential reaction). The problems can sometimes be easily cleared up (and sometimes not), but why not avoid them in the first place. "Just the way some people are"... true, but it's harder to understand and interact with that type of person via a computer. Sorry for any confusion. I didn't intend to choose sides, but I can see how it might have looked that way since I focused on one person's actions.

Call me idealistic, naive, anal, whatever... but there's a reason for the existence of smileys. IMO, you just can't go around being sarcastic in the cyber world without being very careful. You can sometimes be sarcastic or mock-combative with someone you "know" (never met personally, but interacted with extensively via the boards and/or e-mail) with the intent of soliciting a chuckle, and have it backfire. I've seen that sort of thing occur many times at Jazz Corner, where smilies are frowned upon (am I a genius with the puns, or what? B) ). Most people are too terse with their messages for their own good, IMO. So, I say go ahead and adopt the obnoxious/tough guy attitude... just take the extra .7 seconds and add a You'll still be a man, and the average person will have a higher appreciation for your sorry ass.

I was just listening to an old CD from the 80's, and I suddenly became curious- EXCLUDING all of the jazz that had previously been out on LP over the years, what were some of the first jazz CD's ever issued? In other words, contemporary jazz recorded at the time (mid-80's?). Also, what labels were the first to issue this music on CD, and what year would that have been? I didn't get a CD player until 1990 (I had so many LP's, I thought for awhile that I would never go the CD route ), so I have little memory of the beginnings...

It's called ALL MEMBERS. It came out on CD in 2001. Very nice quintet, with Jimmy Heath in the front line along with Sleet. Rhythm section is Kelly, Ron Carter and Cobb. Sleet was a solid player, and I recall liking it quite a bit, but it's been awhile- time to spin this again.

Brownie, that's the one. I was thinking Italy for some reason, but your description sounds like the one I was thinking of. As I recall, the copy I saw on eBay was going for something like $175 - $200. This was about four years ago.

FWIW, the one I have with Prestige/Riverside/Atlantic covers is titled NEW YORK HOT. Also, "Collins & Brown" is the publisher in the UK (my BN Vol. 1 was published by C&B). The others I have (besides the Japanese ones) are U.S. publications by Chronicle, in San Francisco. I just noticed that all of the 12 X 12 Marsh/Callingham books were distributed in Canada by Raincoast Books in Vancouver. Coincidentally, I was in Vancouver in the Summer of 2002, and found my copy of BN Vol. 2 in one of the bookstores there (don't recall the name) where they had about 10 copies at a discounted price. Might be a good town to conduct a search...

This may have been discussed before, but I'm just curious how most of you go about using the board. I thought about making a poll out of this, but I'd rather focus on the "why" rather than the "what". I prefer using "Today's Active Topics", which serves as my log-on page, and a constant "base" between opening various threads and posting. Unlike some other sites, it's very easy here to return to T.A.T., thanks to the link being provided all over the place. I have it set so that topics from the current day as well as the previous day are accessible. This usually gives me quick access to about 4 pages (which I have set up to include 40 threads each) of recently active topics. I used the same basic procedure at the BNBB, except for the early years. Before I started using T.A.T., I always found it tricky to remember where (and when) I had posted, and would sometimes lose track of discussions I wanted to follow. So, what's your routine?

I'll keep my eyes open. In case you'll be doing any eBay searching (or for that matter, any kind of searching where OOP items can be had), I would urge you to be on the lookout for those Japanese issues I mentioned above- especially "Jazzical Moods". It's unbelievably cool. B)

For some time, I've been meaning to track down more of Parlan's work (especially as a leader) on Steeplechase, as well as a few other labels such as Enja, Soul Note, and Storyville. I tried a search here for discussions about this, but only came up with two threads- one about his Blue Note recordings, and one about the Mosaic issue of same. So, I'd like to hear some comments about Parlan's work for other labels, from the 70's forward. I have the following by Horace as a leader: ARRIVAL (with Idrees Sulieman-trumpet, flugelhorn, Bent Jaedig-tenor, Hugo Rasmussen-bass, Ed Thigpen-drums) NO BLUES (with N.H.O.P.-bass, Tony Inzalaco-drums) HI FLY (with Doug Raney-guitar, Wilbur Little-bass) All are outstanding, with NO BLUES being my current favorite. It dates from 1975, and everyone seems to be at the peak of their powers. Great playing by all, and excellent sound. Parlan sounds so comfortable with whatever material he selects, and this one has a nice overall balance of intensity, relaxed swing, and utter loveliness. On top of that, N.H.O.P. always grabs me, perhaps more than any other bassist of that era. I'm especially interested in hearing more p/b/d trios, as well as piano solos. Anybody out there have some of his other titles?

The classic Reid Miles era was certainly the primary inspiration for these books to begin with, but IMO, there is much to like about the designs of a lot of those ten inchers. Oh well, at least we have this: Vintage Vanguard Where we can view things like this:

The original Volume 1 includes about 230 covers, plus a few pages of rear covers, Wolff photos, and Downbeat ads (many of these are also in the 7 X 7 book). It's stated in Volume 2 that there are "over 200 more" cover images within that volume. (BTW, it includes a lot of covers from the 1500 and early 4000 series, in addition to the later U.S. and Japanese covers). The 7 X 7 book states that it contains "nearly 400" covers. So, doing a little rough math, I would say that there are probably some 30-40 covers not included in the 7 X 7. BTW, the thing that always disappointed me was the absence of images from the 10" LP era. There must be some reason why nobody decided to do a comprehensive BN collection... I'm just not sure what the actual reason is.

$75! Wow- was that on eBay, or at a bookstore, or...? A few other 12 X 12's that haven't been mentioned: "New York Hot" (east coast labels) and two published in Japan: "Jazz West Coast" (Pacific Jazz / William Claxton photos) "Jazzical Moods" (artistic collection encompassing many labels, and possibly my favorite) There were also two nice books of David Stone Martin's work, compiled by Manek Daver: "Jazz Graphics" and "Jazz Album Covers: The Rare and the Beautiful" Another fun book to watch for is "In The Groove" by Eric Kohler (goes back to the 78 era, and includes sections on great cover artists like DSM, Alex Steinweiss, Jim Flora, Burt Goldblatt, Reid Miles and others). There was also an expensive book from Italy, which was associated with an art exhibition, I believe. I saw it once on eBay, but it was WAY expensive. The title is escaping me...

Mike, thanks for the information. I wonder if Evans could have dedicated the song to two little Debbys (either that or Lowe was telling a little white lie). Trivial, but interesting... "Very Early"... nice one. Alexander, I love the Hartman version as well. Thanks for sharing that story about your daughter. Sweet indeed.

A quick Google search provided this: Red Young

Dan, I believe it's "Rusch". Congrats again. Hopefully we can start discussing certain aspects of Eddie's history around here before TOO long... (still keeping my vow of silence)

There's really a lot to explore here. The "home" site is that of guitarist Andre Condouant (born in the French West Indies, based in Paris since the 50's). He has worked with many artists in europe, and created webpages for several greats, including Leo Wright, Pony Poindexter, Carmell Jones, and Lou Bennett. And I agree- these pages are extremely well done.

I just stumbled onto this tonight. Some of you may have seen it before, but if not, you should check it out (dig the great cover/liner/label scans on the discography pages!). There are a few other artists linked as well (Pony Poindexter, Lou Bennett...). Carmell Jones pages