mikeweil

brownie, you beat me by the minute! As for the track # 1 LP I'll give it a spin this evening and tell ya!

Yes I checked against the Mosaic edition of the album! If there's anothe trumpet in the horn section it plays only written parts.

Gasca was ? is ? great. Latin fire and modern bop sophistication. Too bad his recordings are few and even rarer on CD. What has become of him?

Sulieman moved to Europe like Benny Bailey and Art Farmer, played in the Kenny Clarke / Francy Boland Big Band like these, and did some dates as a leader for SteepleChase that are worth checking out. He died not too long ago in his US hometown.

Well, I happened to have a day off after a trip to Amsterdam for a gig, and time to listen ...

Oh no - I got 5 out of 15 tracks! Only 33,3 % .... in my initial post. Or am I right on some of my assumptions? I agree the level is very high here, but nevertheless the choices are great, and you have stumped me and everybody else with some tunes here! Sometimes we need a "fast" BFT like this to keep us goin' Randy Hersom's BFT was "fast" and was great fun to do! Nice to read guesses hitting and then missing - myself included. Regarding track 15: That was jest, IMHO, by the musicians involved ...

The name of that saxist was in my finger this afternoon, and I ain't got nothin' to prove it ....

Thanks John!!!

But I think the enormous effort we had to undertake to get snippets of information, which often were as puzzling as they added to our knowledge, and the gratefulness for what we got, along with the urge to find more, that cannot be replaced by anything - I don't regret this. It made me think on my own and listen to my inner voices as a guide through the music. It takes away some of the mystery to have a board like this, although the real secret behind learning to love jazz or any other music cannot be learned, that comes from within.

Well, I thought so and ducked away in time ... B)

I just noticed I stepped into some kind of trap - there may be as many types of jazz fans and listeners as there are people doing just that - listening to music and enjoying it. Only people professionally inclined listen to music they don't like. I respect everyone's preferences here - no need to argue about tastes. I did not intend to label anybody, but I know there are some people who really cannot feel such a cathartic shock as jazzmoose described. For whatever reason. I did not say this is defective, it is the way it is.

I said "if", and when they do, it IS a drag. There are some of these - I didn't say most, or many or whatever. There are people like you described, yes, and I was not talking about them. Among non-jazz fans, of course, the type I described is found very often.

Best wishes! Make sure to peek in here from time to time!

Perhaps the most important thing I have learned here is to take my time before posting and think about what I say - no matter if it's a guess on a Blindfold Test or a political statement - and to always try and be fair and aware there might be someone who knows better.

Well, I don't know if it's a preference, or just the easiest path to take. Well if you can always tell the difference, that's real cool ... B) Well said - I went through this several times. Grew - well, not tired, but a litle weary of hard bop and other styles for some time. But I think Chuck is right that there are people who NEVER feel such a shock that takes them to new areas - perhaps not because there are no such opportunities for them, but they simply cannot have that feeling. And if these act like attorneys of "the real jazz", that can be a drag.

NOT a mistake - only most people prefer to stay on the safe side. Staying the same all the time certainly is NOT jazz.

20+ here too. Must have been around 1966/67 when I was growing tired of listening to the Beatles and discovered some jazz 45's in the otherwise R&R-heavy collection of my elder brother .... But I really dug in around 1968 when I bought my first jazz LPs.

Couldn't disagree more: This CD neatly collects all studio performances of the Coltrane quartet with Roy Haynes subbing for Elvin Jones - no other issue to get them, and very important to hear how the individual players shaped the music. The live counterpart is the Newport 63 disc.

David Wild's Coltrane Discography is the better one, includes references to CD issues and is updated regularly. If you want to dig in, no way without it. My recommendation for late period Coltrane would be Stellar Regions.

I have some time to spend during the reats of the week and will use it to compile the most important track information on the pieces use in all previous Blindfold Tests. I intend to include the following info: Test # Disc # and track # Leading artist or group name track title original album title original laberl and number cd reissue name cd reissue number I'm afraid a complete personnel listing will be too much. Would you like an AMG link? Does anyone have some webspace where we could make it permanently available for download - I would then do updates from time to time. About the data format: I think an Excel table will be the easiest and most common to handle, and you could sort the data any way you want for quick reference. Any opinions?

Of course I should have recognized the drummer - this track is the bummer for me in this test! Very interesting to hear this out of conext, as the pianist's characteristics and influences show so clear here! # 13 keeps bugging me - still no clue! The Cuban percussion is used here like an Indian spice added to a dish otherwise cooked in a totally different tradition - too low in the mix, and not connected to the others. The conga drummer tries to interact but is bashed down by the drummer. The players obviously dig the Cuban rhtyhm but play on top of it just like they would have in any other piece. Still curious who it is, the trumpet player is very nice.

The many tentative guesses on track # 1 are a clear indication that we need a Mosaic Select of the leader's output for that label - I was lucky to get an LP at an auction at a reasonable price many years ago, otherwise my reaction would be just the same. The long time we had to listen to the disc before the discussion thread was started shows in the guesses: So far 9 out of the 15 tracks have been nailed down: 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,11. A great disc to remind us of and point out some great music: Some lesser known great tracks by known artists, some by underrated artists. Maybe that's part of the theme here?

I thought I was over that kind of stuff at my age, but this seems a tempting idea ....

Not such a bad thought, 'cause the tenor was from the West Coast, even if he isn't your prototypical example .... I, too, got him before I checked the trumpet, which not that typical to me on this one.