Blue Train

Once again, you're a class act.

You want to take shots at me personally that is fine but just have to say.... You're a real class act!

with all due repect goody, uncle hate does not really come from that other jazz site. he is a moderator at IHM. Here is what he posted there in respect of this thread While like here and JC there is a lot of things to be found in the archives on IHM....of the three sites they have the most pretentious members who seem to be pretentious just for the sake of being pretentious...as if many of them are showing off how many big words they know and can use properly....which is why I have never posted there and don't intend too....and I am someone who likes a lot of what is discussed there and understands what they're saying. Having said that.... Something I have never understood about you. From what I can make out....you stalk a sight (I would call it lurking but what you do is more stalking than lurking.) made up of people you mostly don't like....and from what I can make out it is mostly mutual...which discusses music you either generally don't like or mock/insult/whatever. Is there really any legitimate reason to post that post in this thread....except some sort of Schadenfreuding thing from what will result because of it? You do the exact same thing on JC. Posting things from IHM that they say a about those on JC and sit back to see what happens. Do you get enjoyment on not adding anything to a discussion except to just throw gas on a fire and sit back to see what happens? Just look at the first person to take your bait and you can't blame hm....with the expected response to it by someone in his position on here. I get the feeling you're hoping Captain Hate (someone I believe there is no love between the two of you) takes the bait and ends up being banned.

From someone who is not from outside,... From someone you can't get any more inside on here. Is there a single "inside" person who agrees with the Apologist's position on this topic?

Yes, I freely admit I fell into "The Hole"....but on a subject like this it's impossible to avoid. Just when I thought I was out....

If you had said Single Malt and STAT!

Animosities, I may add, generated because of a simple disagreement regarding the various social and political issues facing us today. On this BBS, it's OK to offer differing view points just so long as it doesn't become a pissing contest. I admit, I have had to adjust my own posting style to one that is a bit less strident. But I am neither a "piece of shit" nor am I stupid, insane or mentally incapacitated in any way. Insults are the opiate of the unwise. I, however, have moved on. Life is too short to get that angry over any discussion which isn't life threatening. If anything, seems like that would make it more OK and not less OK to bring it up. If you're going to repeatedly trumpet your own credentials as giving you authority to speak about a particular topic...others aren't allowed to do the same when criticizing you? Perspective is not "trumpeting your own credentials" nor is it license to put people down or impugn their character because of a chosen profession. Look, if offering a point of view from a person who actually reports on child abuse seems inappropriate or a reason to blast someone, then I would also have to wonder who would you go see for a medical concern...your mechanic? A false analogy. Nobody here is saying that your point of view as a teacher is inappropriate or a reason to blast you, they're saying that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If a doctor says (in the course of telling everyone he's a doctor and they should listen to him) stuff that opens his own medical competence and judgment up to criticism, then that's fair game. I have no problem at all with disagreement, Big Wheel. But to make veiled put downs of a type which impugn one's character and ability to discharge one's professional duties is pointless as it is entirely unnecessary...especially when the attacker has no understanding of the reporting of child abuse and/or how to gain a conviction. It takes time to bring it all to a point where the child can be removed and protected and that is something the anti-Paterno camp refuses to acknowledge. Why that is a bone of contention escapes me. The bone of contention for whatever reason your mind can't seem to understand...yes, it takes time....forget, hours, days, weeks....every single second counts. Waiting 2 days to a week because he didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend is borderline criminal (if it was anyone but "Saint Paterno" they would have been at least indictment)....and while I also don't believe in Hell. If there is one "Saint" Paterno belongs there. I ask again....WTF? do you think would have happened to you if you did the exact same thing and not even in the same Universe of Power as "Saint" Paterno?

Since the "moderator" posted his post publicly (I know some boards have rules about posting pms public, which is why I didn't earlier)....I think everything should be public. "Moderator" "Stop it Your personal attack on Goodspeak below (the part in parentheses) was way out of line: "Would anyone want their kid/grandchild, or even their worst enemies kid/grandchild having to depend on anyone (especially anyone who is somehow allowed to teach children and thus legally required to do so.) who thinks 48 hours to a week after being informed of a kid being fondled/sodomized, or anything sexual happened between a minor and adult?" Don't do anything like that again. It's a violation of forum rules. Larry Kart" Me "So, I posted that close to 3 hours ago and you posted minutes afterwards. Now, it suddenly bothers you? I will tell you right now. I had a cousin who was sexually abused by a Priest. He later committed suicide. I have had a cousin who was murdered because he was Homosexual. I have no respect at all for Apologists of any kind....especially those who are supposed to be protecting children. I formerly request a ruling from this sites owner." "Moderator" He must have posted something and deleted it or edited out by mistake and not realized it, because the first sentence makes no sense. "Sorry -- I meant to say "your cousin." But then I don't like people who cite injuries to others as justifications for their own bad behavior." Me "The guy who starts off being rude is going to lecture me about bad behavior? No wonder people have a problem with the moderators on here with an attitude like yours." Once again, if the site's owner thinks I should be banned. While I disagree about all this. It's his site and more importantly his livelihood depends on it. I have lurked enough to figure that out.

Exactly, I wasn't the one who brought up his career (and believe me I know he's a teacher.) or his legal responsibilities. He's posted that several times in this thread as making him the last word on the subject. I asked the obvious question everyone had to be thinking....especially if they have children. He's a teacher who is legally required to inform about any abuse of a minor....but he has made it clear 48 hours, a week, month, infinity isn't that important to him in terms of reporting it. Poor "Saint" Paterno did everything he possibly could have done no matter how long it took, or the possibility if might have ended the horror much earlier. Those damn "What if'ers". Shortly before my post in question....Mr. Nessa basically called him nuts. Valerie B called him delusional. Just in this thread alone read what people think of his position on this. Aggie 87 even asked him "I hope you're quicker to report things when you find out about them than McQueary and Paterno were. For the victim's sakes." It might be a nicer way of putting it, but it's the same thing. Did he or any of the others get a pm from someone whose default mode of "moderating" appears to be attack instead of "moderating"? Maybe the moderators on here are so used to people attacking their decisions (see the Rodney King thread. The only reason I checked that thread is I figured a Rodney King, RIP thread can't lead to an argument by actual adults....I was proven wrong. It was like something The Onion would create.) or how they handle it that the default mode for him comes from that. At most, that should have been maybe the 2nd pm he sent me if I disregarded his informing me I had broken the board's rule and I still continued to do it. I even asked him for a ruling from the site's owner....since I then and still don't agree with him. I get the feeling he never forwarded that. After he did his job as a "moderator". I tried to explain why it bothers me that anyone would defend in my mind (and apparently this board's owner) an Enabler...you can't make up his response. I was apparently using something that happened to a family members to explain my "bad behavior." Like I said, I have no intention of reading another pm from any moderator. If they can't post it in the light of day....don't waste your time. If that means I get banned that's fine. I can just go back to lurking. The only reason I finally registered over two years ago is that you can't use the search function without being signed in. The only reason I finally started posting was to help another member with regards to his Grand Niece. If I could, I would put the supposed "moderator" on ignore. If saying that gets me banned. That's fine too.

You have to keep in mind.....you're used to dealing with him on a place without any moderators. He wouldn't have survived here the way he acted there for even more than a few of his unhinged posts on there. He definitely wouldn't have been only temporarily banned for the second time (before finally being banned for life.) on here....after his insulting other members personally with amongst other things their penis sizes and sexuality. He's pretty much benign here. I have completely avoided him....well except for hinting that his and his wife's facebook settings are a disaster. It's amazingly easy to avoid him when you take into account he almost never discusses music and I never bother even looking at the sports and political threads. There is a lot of great stuff relating to music to be found in the archives. If he had not bumped this thread (which I never noticed before...and did the whole poor "Saint" Paterno thing.) I wouldn't have bothered with this thread. P.S. In the future if any moderator has a problem with me. Post it publicly so everyone can see what you're idea of "moderation" to at best a first time offender happens to be. If you look up the word moderator....being unnecessarily hostile, threatening and rude to someone who was never even previously warned that he did anything wrong....that won't be found there. I would put him on ignore but apparently I am not allowed to put a moderator on ignore. I will no longer read any pm he sends me. Just for the record....I understand the need of moderators (I have even stated on JC it needs at the very least one.)....or if I or anyone does anything that breaks a rule it's the moderator's job to give us a warning of some sort, or keep things from escalating. There is however a right and wrong way of doing it.

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I was all over that as soon as Steve Reynolds mentioned it somewhere else.

Once again....at some point you might understand this. The fact is "Saint" Paterno gave a sworn testimony it might have been up to a week (I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his age it was 48 hours.) before he bothered to tell anyone. The fact according to "Saint" Paterno is that the reason he gave (once again in a sworn testimony.) is because "Saint" Paterno didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend. The only thing any criminal/civil case after this point will lead (one way or another.) to finding out....is if he was involved in the cover-up from 1999 on.

You can't this up for whatever bizarre reason if you wanted.

Found it. No way of knowing what Zappa actually thought of them, or if he was even around at the time from this. http://books.google.com/books?id=fUbCMeCrxa0C&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=%22Frank+Zappa%22+%22AACM%22&source=bl&ots=GhL8Y7Vyo9&sig=ehddSiVKMU6XGNnlz5TeTiV4F28&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KozrT6GkBIiYrAHJvLTVBQ&ved=0CIUEEOgBMAA#v=onepage&q=%22Frank%20Zappa%22%20%22AACM%22&f=false

The fact is "Saint" Paterno did not do a single thing for 2 days to a week and then went Pontius Pilate after he finally did the least possibly legal. The most powerful person at Penn St. did not give a damn enough to even pick up the phone....because he did not want to ruin anyone’s weekend. I am sure all the victims afterwards appreciate his consideration for the adults not being sexually assaulted. If the most powerful person at Penn St. didn't give a damn for 2 days to a week....why would his "alleged" superiors (the same people he through out of his house for even bringing up retiring.) take it seriously....especially when he never once followed up? The average Pedophile abuses 150-200 children (keep in mind that is based on only about 14% are actually reported.) before they’re finally caught. Sandusky had access to hundreds of thousands of kids over the just the 34-years The Second Mile was around. They averaged 100,000 a year for several years. Many of those abused grow up to become abusers themselves. Most end up with mental health issues and/or needing years of treatment. Some others commit suicide. Just think of the math involved in the circle of just one of the average Pedophile! Yeah, WTF? is 48 hours, a week, a month, whatever? Why even have laws requiring adults who have certain positions to report anything? No one knows what would have happened if "Saint" Paterno cared more about the kids than adults enjoying their weekend....because "Saint" Paterno didn’t give a f**k enough to pick up the phone as soon as he was told about a kid being fondled/sodomized/whatever by an adult....and he definitely didn't give a f**k to follow up in anyway....especially after he saw Sandusky still with full access.

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Mr. Nessa: I could be wrong (and I don't have the book anywhere near where I am right now.)....but I swear I read in George Lewis' book....that he mentioned the AACM shared a bill with Zappa in Europe and had a great time. Like I said, I could be wrong. I haven't read it since it came out.

Mr. Nessa: Sorry to read that....while I admit to liking a good deal of his work....the man was pretty much an asshole in general back then from what I understand. The ratio of great musicians/composers who were/are assholes to non-assholes unfortunately leans heavily to the first. I just find it strange he wouldn't have known about Mr. Bowie & Mitchell or least listened to anything by the AACM before you showed up. He knew his Jazz. You would think whomever set it up would have at least gave him something to listen too.

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