Soul Stream

Why don't you fuck off.

Maybe so... I'll give everyone fair warning. I'm going to delete this thread....and save Jim and crew the headache, hassle, ect. This wasn't my intent to begin with and now it's turned into the same old downloading argument. Let me just point out, I buy plenty of CDs and if I download...I pay for it on iTunes. This blog was ann exception to that, something I stumbled on and since it was on oop vinyl seemed like an o.k. thing to download in the big scheme of life and musicians getting shorted on money. I'm a musician, I accept downloading as something that's here to stay for better or worse. It certainly isn't helping me out.

There seems to be a lot of "theoretical" opposition to this blog. However, this site seemed pretty well-known by nearly everyone but myself before I started this thread. Just curious, a show of hands, of how many have downloaded off that blog? I get the feeling there's a lot of "yeah, downloading is bad" while they hit the download button on the computer. And Chuck, I'll count you out since I don't think you wanted the Harold Vick disco album anyway...

Outside of a couple of people seeing it on T.V., seems like nobody has actually heard the album except for one who heard a cut on the radio. I understand it's not going to be a lot of people's cup of tea. In the past, I wouldn't have even given this album a listen or chance. But these are all good musicians who made, or tried to make, some good down home kind of music. It came across to me, and so I enjoyed it. I don't have any particular "I hate Wynton" baggage that would preclude me from liking it. Perhaps Willie should have gotten Dave Douglas and a Fender Rhodes player....

I'm more in the Jim camp on all this. Crate-diggers and D.J.s have tapped into a market that just didn't exist previously. How many Funk 45 compilations are there these days? DustyGroove has it's own label now. Like Jim said, Roger Boykin's reaped some rewards he otherwise wouldn't have seen imho. As a musician, I should/would be the first to jump on this wagon if I thought it was really hurting musicians. Is it hurting U2 and Kid Rock?... probably, I guess. I don't care about those guys. The majority of Musicians haven't made money from recordings and never will. They do it to get gigs, document their music, promote themselves, get articles written, ect. The last thing on their list is making money from a recording. Monk paid Bob Weinstock 128 dollars (that he borrowed from Orrin Keepnews) to get out of his Prestige contract and go to Riverside. Monk OWED them money, what a joke. I know lots of working musicians, successful on lower national levels, ect. It's always been about keeping the ball rolling....making a record, touring, working, ect. I don't see those working musicians complaining about downloads. Just Metallica, guess they need new race cars.

I got the record and have dug it. Just what you'd think it'd be. They hit a pretty damn impressive old time new orleans second line groove on My Bucket's Got A Hole In It. I need to listen to this record more..., just haven't had time. Whatever you think of Wynton (hey, I don't have any of his cds, so...), the backing they give Willie is pretty spot on to my ears. They keep it very traditional, but throw in some pretty wild stuff that sounds like Mingus on occassion. Nice recording, but I'm a Willie fan that appreciates this setting for him. Nice to see him with some jazzmen that are hip to his trip.

I'd rather look at in a musical context instead of a historical-moving-ahead-looking back, ect...thing (I'm pretty good with words). Musical ideas are ideas whether it was 1930 or 2030...and sometimes when get so caught up in "our" time or somebody else's time that we forget it's all but a blip. Evolution takes a long time and it's all part of it. Monk's music has become more potent as time goes simply because he was so different and willing to take 'old' ideas on incorporate them. Those "older" ideas were all valid for Monk it seemed. That's a valuable musical lesson for all time. This could be said of Mingus as well...they were so far ahead and behind of everyone.

I guess the thought is that sometimes the approach to music is so old, it's new again...in the sense that you'll hear things and it'll make you think. This all in relation to Monk not using a substition, and it sounding old/new all at once.

Put on a Louis Armstrong recording.... Sounds pretty brand new these days.

It's funny how our ears are so used to hearing so many ii V substitutions in jazz that when I hear older jazz styles...they sound fresher to my ears since they don't have all the substitutions I'm expecting.

I'm by no means a "Real Book" hater...it's been a real help in my musical self-education. That said, it caused me lots of confusion with 'Round Midnight. But thanks to everyone here I'm getting a real good edumacation done proper! Thanks 7/4 for the pm. Also Jim...I just got that Hal Leonard book and it's really, really good. Can't wait to dig into it. It's version had the same changes for the bridge that Michael gave me.

Just for the sake of argument, can anybody post a lead sheet of the whole song "Round Midnight" that would be Monk or Lacy worthy? I'm very curious....

Just learned of this.... We've been privileged to live in this time where jazz Giants (Big and Little) walked the earth. Was watching "Straight, No Chaser" on DVD tonight before I learned of this...Monk turned to J. Griffin...looked at his striped slacks and said "Those are some bad motherfuckers." RiP JG.

Not many places I can ask a musician to musician question to a guy in NYC who's just played the Vanguard as a headliner. Not to slight all the other great musicians/contributors... hey, lots of information here from people who are the real deal. Thanks to all...

Somehow...the more I listen to 'Round Midnight by different artists, and in light of what has been discussed here, there more confused I am as to what changes actually ARE 'Round Midnight. Lots of listening and examining on my part to be done...thanks for all the insight. The REAL BOOK should be burned.

Thanks for all the help...it's funny, I've run into some pretty weird changes on the bridge...um, yeah...and if you ever want to make your head spin, listen to Jimmy McGriff's version on his first Sue LP. And Jimmy Smith doesn't do much better on the bridge on the Jimmy Smith Trio + LD record. Anyway, thanks again Michael and Korean and everyone else.

THANKS MICHAEL!!! (I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD ANSWER!!!!)

Can anybody tell me the correct changes to the bridge of 'Round Midnight? Thanks in advance for any help...

My thought about the site is... I could go into a USED record store and purchase an original copy of Gabor Szabo's "Magical Connection" and Gabor's estate still doesn't see a penny of it, some dude in a funky t-shirt just made 8 dollars. All these albums are basically crate digger finds that haven't been issued on CD and I'm all for that. Still, If Jim doesn't dig the thread, please delete it or I will happily if asked. Just trying to turn some folks onto dusty old records.

and let's face it, Soulstream, nobody can get enough of Hot Dog TRUE THAT! So Jim,...seems like you stumbled on this site before. Any gems you found that you'd recommend. And yes...Rhodes....saw 3 Days of The Condor last night...lots of Rhodes in the sexy 70's love scenes between Robert Redford and Faye Dunaway.

Yeah, Dan.... A lot of his tastes run to that over-produced 70's jazz era. That said, those are some of the sounds that I personally have never dug into...but I've found a few gems in there like Gabor Szabo's "Magical Connection" which sounds like a lost Grant Green album from the late Blue Note period. But something like Wilbert Longmire's "Revolution" LP with Leon Spencer...that's a tough LP to find, and a great one too. I've listened to stuff I never would...and found I dug quite a lot of it. Anyway, at this point in my listening...I'm alway happy to be hipped to something new. For a real bindblower check out Jimmy Smith's "Brown Paper Bag" Verve LP he has on there...Jimmy singing crazy, made up lyrics it seems (I guess you call it that! on every track). Pretty wild!

Too many valuable posts to delete this thread as I had wanted, so I'll just change the header and let it ride.... Blogspots...let the games begin.

Kenny Dorham Quintet, Live at the Half-Note 1966 (Magnetic) Hard to come by radio broadcast with Sonny Redd and Cedar Walton $9 WITH JEWEL CASE Hey Dan...I'll take this one if it's still for sale...

My recollection is that John is on Lloyd Price's big band lp that had his hit version of Misty on it. He also co-wrote and played on "Where Were You On Our Wedding Day" and others...I'm not sure of the rest. But that badass big-band version of Misty...that whole album is Big John on piano...

I've only heard one cut off of it...it's on the Blue Break Beats comp. Yeah, these Lps get pretty iffy around this time period, especially for organists. But to be honest, I've heard, dug, love, admire...so many "regular" organ records that kind of freaky ones like the later McDuff Blue Notes like What's Tomorrow Gonna Bring, ect. I like those records too, very different and enjoyable to me in many, many ways. So I'm looking forward Set Us Free...based off the cut I heard and just the label and date...I know it's going to be something different.